{"id":39788,"date":"2017-11-27T21:39:44","date_gmt":"2017-11-28T02:39:44","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=39788"},"modified":"2017-11-27T21:39:44","modified_gmt":"2017-11-28T02:39:44","slug":"podcast-204-conversation-with-a-frustrated-trinitarian-part-1","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-204-conversation-with-a-frustrated-trinitarian-part-1\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 204 &#8211; Conversation with a frustrated trinitarian &#8211; Part 1"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_4929\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-39788-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities204.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities204.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities204.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities204.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=39788-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities204.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities204.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-39791 alignleft\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Frustrated_man_at_a_desk_cropped.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"456\" height=\"384\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Frustrated_man_at_a_desk_cropped.jpg 456w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Frustrated_man_at_a_desk_cropped-450x379.jpg 450w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 456px) 100vw, 456px\" \/>Christian publishing houses pour forth <strong>a constant torrent of articles and books<\/strong> on the history, meaning, justification, practical importance, apologetic defenses, and biblical grounding of &#8220;<em>the<\/em> doctrine of the Trinity.&#8221; Evidently, there is a fairly large market for such products.<\/p>\n<p>But not every customer is a happy customer. In this episode of the trinities podcast, I talk with <strong>Corby Amos, an active Southern Baptist layman, Sunday school teacher and sometime preacher, about his frustrations<\/strong> with what he&#8217;s been reading.<\/p>\n<p>Interestingly, despite our theological differences, and that my degrees are in Philosophy, while his is in Anthropology, we agree on a <em>lot<\/em> of the problems. We talk through the items on the list he expands on in <a href=\"http:\/\/www.oddinthetruth.com\/frustrated-trinitarian\/\">this post at his blog Odd in the Truth<\/a>. Along the way I add a few complaints of my own!<\/p>\n<p>Do you disagree? Or did we leave anything out?<\/p>\n<p><strong><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-medium wp-image-39792\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/muppet-show-old-men-360x450.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"360\" height=\"450\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/muppet-show-old-men-360x450.jpg 360w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/muppet-show-old-men-768x960.jpg 768w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/muppet-show-old-men-819x1024.jpg 819w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 360px) 100vw, 360px\" \/>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Corby Amos\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/CorbyAmos\">on Twitter<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.oddinthetruth.com\/\"><strong>Odd in the Truth<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li>James White, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Forgotten-Trinity-James-R-White\/dp\/1556617259\/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1511836038&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=white%2C+the+forgotten+trinity\"><em>The Forgotten Trinity<\/em><\/a><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 182 \u2013 White\u2019s case for the Trinity \u2013 Part 2\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-182-whites-case-for-the-trinity-part-2\/\">podcast 182 \u2013 White\u2019s case for the Trinity \u2013 Part 2<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 181 \u2013 White\u2019s case for the Trinity \u2013 Part 1\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-181-whites-case-for-the-trinity-part-1\/\">podcast 181 \u2013 White\u2019s case for the Trinity \u2013 Part 1<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Lewis Ayres, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Nicaea-Its-Legacy-Fourth-Century-Trinitarian\/dp\/0198755058\/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?s=books&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1511836086&amp;sr=1-1-fkmr0&amp;keywords=ayres%2C+nicea+and+its+legacy\"><em>Nicea and Its Legacy<\/em><\/a><\/li>\n<li>R.P.C. Hanson, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Search-Christian-Doctrine-God-Controversy\/dp\/080103146X\/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1511836143&amp;sr=1-1&amp;keywords=hanson%2C+the+search+for+the+christian\"><em>The Search for the Christian Doctrine of God<\/em><\/a><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 31 \u2013 Dr. William Hasker on the \u201cArian\u201d Controversy\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-31-william-hasker-on-the-arian-controversy\/\">podcast 31 \u2013 Dr. William Hasker on the \u201cArian\u201d Controversy<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 28 \u2013 Interview with Dr. William Hasker about his Metaphysics and the Tripersonal God \u2013 Part 2\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-28-interview-with-dr-william-hasker-about-his-metaphysics-and-the-tripersonal-god-part-2\/\">podcast 28 \u2013 Interview with Dr. William Hasker about his Metaphysics and the Tripersonal God \u2013 Part 2<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 27 \u2013 Interview with Dr. William Hasker about his Metaphysics and the Tripersonal God \u2013 Part 1\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-27-interview-with-dr-william-hasker-about-his-metaphysics-and-the-tripersonal-god-part-1\/\">podcast 27 \u2013 Interview with Dr. William Hasker about his Metaphysics and the Tripersonal God \u2013 Part 1<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 173 \u2013 Eusebius of Caesarea\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-173-eusebius-of-caesarea\/\">podcast 173 \u2013 Eusebius of Caesarea<\/a><\/li>\n<li><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/what-is-the-trinity.com\/\"><em>What is the Trinity?<\/em><\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 190 \u2013 What is the Trinity? 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A triad of book reviews<\/a><\/li>\n<li>This week&#8217;s thinking music is &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Lee_Rosevere\/The_Big_Loop_-_FML_original_podcast_score\/Lee_Rosevere_-_The_Big_Loop_-_FML_original_podcast_score_-_04_Ennui\">Ennui<\/a>&#8221; by <a href=\"http:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Lee_Rosevere\/\">Lee Rosevere<\/a>.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>If only trinitarian scholars majored in consistent, intelligible, fully informed answers!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":39791,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[37,21,6,4,14,56,20,9,57,13,3,43],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-39788","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-apologetics","category-bible","category-complaints","category-heresy-orthodoxy","category-history","category-interview","category-mystery","category-philosophy","category-podcast","category-theologians","category-theories","category-unitarianism"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/39788","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=39788"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/39788\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":39796,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/39788\/revisions\/39796"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/39791"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=39788"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=39788"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=39788"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}