{"id":39849,"date":"2018-01-01T19:07:55","date_gmt":"2018-01-02T00:07:55","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=39849"},"modified":"2018-01-01T19:07:55","modified_gmt":"2018-01-02T00:07:55","slug":"podcast-208-natalja-deng-eternity","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-208-natalja-deng-eternity\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 208 &#8211; Natalja Deng &#8211; Eternity"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_3578\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-39849-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities208.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities208.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities208.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities208.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=39849-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities208.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities208.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft wp-image-39860\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/natalja-deng.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"385\" height=\"347\" \/><strong>Dr. Natalja Deng<\/strong>\u00a0 is an Assistant Professor of Philosophy at Underwood International College, Yonsei University, Seoul\/Incheon, South Korea.<\/p>\n<p>In this talk she presents a portion of a paper in progress on God and time. Dr. Deng first discusses and criticizes<strong> recent work on clashing views about divine eternity and God&#8217;s life<\/strong>, focusing on Stump and Kretzmann, Leftow, Padgett, and McTaggart.<\/p>\n<p>She also discusses this <strong>argument for divine temporality<\/strong>, put forth by some who believe in objectively dynamic or &#8220;flowing&#8221; time (proponents of what are called &#8220;A-theories&#8221; of time).<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>God is omniscient.<\/li>\n<li>If God is omniscient, then God knows the fundamental temporal facts.<\/li>\n<li>God knows the fundamental temporal facts. (1,2)<\/li>\n<li>If there are fundamental tensed facts (i.e. if an A-theory of time is true), then God knows them.<\/li>\n<li>If God knows fundamental tensed facts, then what God knows changes.<\/li>\n<li>If what God knows changes, then God changes.<\/li>\n<li>If God changes then God is temporal.<\/li>\n<li>If an A-theory of time is true, then God is temporal. (4-7)<\/li>\n<li>An A-theory of time is true.<\/li>\n<li>God is temporal. (8,9)<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>In my view, this is a sound argument. But as she explains, some, disliking the conclusion (and perhaps A-theories as well), will simply deny 9. She also discusses a a similar argument which might be endorsed by non-A-theorists, and whether simply<strong> being personal<\/strong> implies that God is temporal.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/nataljadeng.weebly.com\/\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright wp-image-39858\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/pocket-watch-2061228_1280-450x339.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"547\" height=\"412\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/pocket-watch-2061228_1280-450x339.jpg 450w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/pocket-watch-2061228_1280-768x578.jpg 768w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/pocket-watch-2061228_1280-1024x770.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/pocket-watch-2061228_1280.jpg 1280w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 547px) 100vw, 547px\" \/><strong>Natalja M. Deng<\/strong> <\/a>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/yonsei.academia.edu\/NataljaDeng\">at Academia.edu<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/philpapers.org\/s\/Natalja%20Deng\">at PhilPapers<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/s-p-o-t.weebly.com\/god-and-time.html\">workshop on God and Time<\/a><\/li>\n<li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/s-p-o-t.weebly.com\/about.html\">the Society for the Philosophy of Time (SPoT)<\/a> <\/strong><\/li>\n<li>Zimmerman, &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/fas-philosophy.rutgers.edu\/zimmerman\/A-Theory.B-Theory.Tense.pdf\">The A-Theory of Time, The B-Theory of Time, and \u2018Taking Tense Seriously\u2019<\/a>&#8220;<\/li>\n<li>Paul Helm&#8217;s blog <a href=\"http:\/\/paulhelmsdeep.blogspot.com\/\">Helm&#8217;s Deep<\/a> (<a href=\"https:\/\/philpapers.org\/s\/paul%20helm\">papers<\/a>)<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/boethius\/\">Boethius<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/sites.google.com\/site\/stumpep\/\">Eleonore Stump<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.closertotruth.com\/contributor\/brian-leftow\/profile\">Brian Leftow @ Closer to Truth<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/mctaggart\/\">J.M.E. McTaggart<\/a><\/li>\n<li>This week&#8217;s thinking music is &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Andy_G_Cohen\/MUL__DIV_1198\/Andy_G_Cohen_-_MULDIV_-_07_-_Bathed_in_Fine_Dust\">Bathed in Fine Dust<\/a>&#8221; by <a href=\"http:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Andy_G_Cohen\/\">Andy G. Cohen<\/a>.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>What does it mean to say that God and his life are &#8220;eternal&#8221;?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":39850,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[75,14,9,57,3],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-39849","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-divine-attributes","category-history","category-philosophy","category-podcast","category-theories"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/39849","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=39849"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/39849\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":39867,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/39849\/revisions\/39867"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/39850"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=39849"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=39849"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=39849"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}