{"id":39935,"date":"2018-02-04T23:32:57","date_gmt":"2018-02-05T04:32:57","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=39935"},"modified":"2018-02-12T19:51:25","modified_gmt":"2018-02-13T00:51:25","slug":"podcast-213-has-bauckham-clarified-his-divine-identity-theory-part-1","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-213-has-bauckham-clarified-his-divine-identity-theory-part-1\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 213 &#8211; Has Bauckham clarified his &#8220;divine identity&#8221; theory? &#8211; Part 1"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_3152\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-39935-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities213.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities213.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities213.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities213.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=39935-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities213.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities213.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-medium wp-image-39936\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Dr-Richard-Bauckham-at-Logos-2017-450x278.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"450\" height=\"278\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Dr-Richard-Bauckham-at-Logos-2017-450x278.png 450w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Dr-Richard-Bauckham-at-Logos-2017-768x474.png 768w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Dr-Richard-Bauckham-at-Logos-2017.png 947w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 450px) 100vw, 450px\" \/>According to <a href=\"http:\/\/www.richardbauckham.co.uk\/\"><strong>Dr. Richard Bauckham<\/strong><\/a>, traditional, Nicene language ought to be replaced by clearer, more contemporary language about God and Jesus. In a long series of publications, he has argued that we should read the New Testament as <strong>&#8220;including Jesus in the divine identity.&#8221;<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Although this thesis <a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-13-on-bauckhams-bargain\/\">has been criticized as unclear<\/a>, many evangelical scholars have rushed to embrace this new language, seeing it as equivalent to traditional claims about &#8220;the deity of Christ,&#8221; &#8220;high&#8221; christology, or that &#8220;Jesus is God.&#8221; Thus, this<strong> new interpretive grid<\/strong> has been accepted by various evangelical apologists, theologians, biblical scholars, and by at least one analytic theologian.<\/p>\n<p>In June of 2017 at the Logos Institute of the University of St. Andrews in Scotland, Dr. Bauckham gave a talk which seems intended to clarify his theory. It was called<strong> &#8220;Divine Identity as a Conceptual Tool for Understanding New Testament Christology.&#8221;<\/strong> In this episode, we hear that entire talk, interspersed with my commentary.<\/p>\n<p>After listening, do you think that he has <strong>sufficiently clarified<\/strong> his &#8220;divine identity&#8221; thesis about New Testament christology? And do you think I&#8217;m right in my suggestion here that his views entail that the Father and the Son are something less than selves, something like expressions of the one divine self, who is in his view the triune God?<\/p>\n<p>[spp-tweet tweet=&#8221;Has Bauckham clarified his christology of divine identity?&#8221;]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong><a title=\"podcast 13 \u2013 On Bauckham\u2019s Bargain\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-13-on-bauckhams-bargain\/\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-medium wp-image-39939\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Dr-Bauckham-delivering-a-paper-at-St-Andrews-450x378.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"450\" height=\"378\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Dr-Bauckham-delivering-a-paper-at-St-Andrews-450x378.png 450w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Dr-Bauckham-delivering-a-paper-at-St-Andrews-768x645.png 768w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Dr-Bauckham-delivering-a-paper-at-St-Andrews.png 988w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 450px) 100vw, 450px\" \/><\/a><\/strong><a title=\"podcast 214 \u2013 Has Bauckham clarified his \u201cdivine identity\u201d theory? \u2013 Part 2\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-214-has-bauckham-clarified-his-divine-identity-theory-part-2\/\">podcast 214 \u2013 Has Bauckham clarified his \u201cdivine identity\u201d theory? \u2013 Part 2<\/a><\/li>\n<li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=4KcoHKVRc50&amp;t=1075s\">Divine Identity as a Conceptual Tool for Understanding New Testament Christology<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/logos.wp.st-andrews.ac.uk\/\"><strong>The Logos Institute<\/strong><\/a><strong> @ The University of St. Andrews<\/strong>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/logos.wp.st-andrews.ac.uk\/conference\/\">2017 Conference<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/channel\/UC6KUtDRmk2MUjRodt1i_x-A\">@YouTube<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.richardbauckham.co.uk\/\">Dr. Bauckham&#8217;s home page<\/a><\/strong>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.richardbauckham.co.uk\/index.php?page=articles\">his articles<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.richardbauckham.co.uk\/index.php?page=books-sole-author\">his books<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 13 \u2013 On Bauckham\u2019s Bargain\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-13-on-bauckhams-bargain\/\">podcast 13 \u2013 On Bauckham\u2019s Bargain<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Review of Thomas McCall\u2019s <a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/review-of-thomas-mccalls-which-trinity-whose-monotheism\/\"><em>Which Trinity? Whose Monotheism?<\/em><\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/on-numerical-sameness-identity-absolute-identity\/\"> Numerical Sameness \/ Identity \/ &#8220;Absolute&#8221; Identity<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/god-and-his-son-the-logic-of-the-new-testament\/\">God and his Son: the logic of the New Testament<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 124 \u2013 a challenge to \u201cJesus is God\u201d apologists\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-124-a-challenge-to-jesus-is-god-apologists\/\">podcast 124 \u2013 a challenge to \u201cJesus is God\u201d apologists<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 183 \u2013 Challenge Unmet\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-183-challenge-unmet\/\">podcast 183 \u2013 Challenge Unmet<\/a><\/li>\n<li><strong><a title=\"podcast 156 \u2013 Dr. J.R. Daniel Kirk on A Man Attested by God \u2013 Part 2\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-156-dr-j-r-daniel-kirk-on-a-man-attested-by-god-part-2\/\">podcast 156 \u2013 Dr. J.R. Daniel Kirk on A Man Attested by God \u2013 Part 2<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 155 \u2013 Dr. J.R. Daniel Kirk on A Man Attested by God \u2013 Part 1\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-155-dr-j-r-daniel-kirk-on-a-man-attested-by-god-part-1\/\"><strong>podcast 155 \u2013 Dr. J.R. 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