{"id":39964,"date":"2018-02-12T19:10:47","date_gmt":"2018-02-13T00:10:47","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=39964"},"modified":"2018-02-18T23:05:11","modified_gmt":"2018-02-19T04:05:11","slug":"podcast-214-has-bauckham-clarified-his-divine-identity-theory-part-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-214-has-bauckham-clarified-his-divine-identity-theory-part-2\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 214 &#8211; Has Bauckham clarified his &#8220;divine identity&#8221; theory? &#8211; Part 2"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_453\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-39964-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities214.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities214.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities214.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities214.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=39964-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities214.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities214.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-medium wp-image-39967\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Dr-Richard-Bauckham-2017-St-Andrews-450x301.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"450\" height=\"301\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Dr-Richard-Bauckham-2017-St-Andrews-450x301.png 450w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Dr-Richard-Bauckham-2017-St-Andrews-768x514.png 768w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Dr-Richard-Bauckham-2017-St-Andrews.png 836w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 450px) 100vw, 450px\" \/>In this second half of Dr. Bauckham&#8217;s 2017 presentation at the Logos conference at the University of St. Andrews, we hear the <strong>commenter, theologian Dr. Jeremy Begbie<\/strong>, Dr. Bauckham&#8217;s reply, and then Q&amp;A time with the philosophers and theologians present. Among others, he fields questions from Drs. Timothy Paul and N.T. Wright. Many tough questions are raised here, and Dr. Bauckham answers some of them, again interacting with the views of <a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-155-dr-j-r-daniel-kirk-on-a-man-attested-by-god-part-1\/\">Dr. J.R. Daniel Kirk<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>In part of this episode Dr. Bauckham says,<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>There were actually Jewish theological terms for <strong>including Jesus in the divine identity,<\/strong> much more clearly than if they&#8217;d simply said &#8220;Jesus is God&#8221; or something of that kind. &#8230;<strong>&#8220;Jesus is God&#8221; could mean three of four different things<\/strong>. Jesus sitting on the <strong>cosmic throne<\/strong> of the universe can mean only one thing: he participates in God&#8217;s unique divinity.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Finally satisfied that <strong>I <em>roughly<\/em> understand<\/strong> what Dr. Bauckham means by &#8220;Jesus is included in the divine identity,&#8221; I comment briefly on <strong>his argument<\/strong> that this is what the New Testament authors (especially Paul and the author of the fourth gospel) think about Jesus.<\/p>\n<p>You can find more about <strong>the Logos Institute&#8217;s cutting-edge work<\/strong> on Christian theology in relation to recent analytic theology <a href=\"http:\/\/logos.wp.st-andrews.ac.uk\/\">here<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>[spp-tweet tweet=&#8221;Is saying that the NT &#8220;includes Jesus in the divine identity&#8221; clearer than saying in the NT &#8220;Jesus is God&#8221;?&#8221;]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-213-has-bauckham-clarified-his-divine-identity-theory-part-1\/\"><strong>podcast 213 \u2013 Has Bauckham clarified his \u201cdivine identity\u201d theory? \u2013 Part 1<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=4KcoHKVRc50&amp;t=1075s\">Divine Identity as a Conceptual Tool for Understanding New Testament Christology<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/logos.wp.st-andrews.ac.uk\/\"><strong>The Logos Institute<\/strong><\/a><strong> @ The University of St. Andrews<\/strong>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/logos.wp.st-andrews.ac.uk\/conference\/\">2017 Conference<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/channel\/UC6KUtDRmk2MUjRodt1i_x-A\">@YouTube<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-39969 alignright\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018-02-04-72-450x165.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"747\" height=\"274\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018-02-04-72-450x165.png 450w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018-02-04-72-768x282.png 768w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018-02-04-72-1024x376.png 1024w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018-02-04-72.png 1698w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 747px) 100vw, 747px\" \/><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.richardbauckham.co.uk\/\">Dr. Bauckham\u2019s home page<\/a><\/strong>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.richardbauckham.co.uk\/index.php?page=articles\">his articles<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.richardbauckham.co.uk\/index.php?page=books-sole-author\">his books<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/divinity.duke.edu\/faculty\/jeremy-begbie\">Dr. Jeremy Begbie<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 68 \u2013 Dr. Harriet Baber on Relative Identity and the Trinity\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-68-dr-harriet-baber-on-relative-identity-and-the-trinity\/\">podcast 68 \u2013 Dr. Harriet Baber on Relative Identity and the Trinity<\/a><\/li>\n<li>&#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/dale\/CT%20preprint%20-%20Tuggy.pdf\">Constitution Trinitarianism: An Appraisal<\/a>&#8220;<\/li>\n<li>Colossians 1:15-20; Daniel 7:13-14.<\/li>\n<li>This week&#8217;s thinking music is &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Jesse_Spillane\/Descent_of_the_Goober_Monster\/Jesse_Spillane_-_Descent_of_the_Goober_Monster_-_10_Spastic_Mumblings\">Spastic Mumblings<\/a>&#8221; by <a href=\"http:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Jesse_Spillane\/\">Jesse Spillane<\/a>.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Is saying that the NT &#8220;includes Jesus in the divine identity&#8221; clearer than saying in the NT &#8220;Jesus is God&#8221;?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":39967,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[37,21,6,75,14,33,9,57,13,3],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-39964","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-apologetics","category-bible","category-complaints","category-divine-attributes","category-history","category-incarnation","category-philosophy","category-podcast","category-theologians","category-theories"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/39964","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=39964"}],"version-history":[{"count":6,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/39964\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":40008,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/39964\/revisions\/40008"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/39967"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=39964"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=39964"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=39964"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}