{"id":40238,"date":"2018-05-21T22:25:22","date_gmt":"2018-05-22T02:25:22","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=40238"},"modified":"2018-05-21T22:38:11","modified_gmt":"2018-05-22T02:38:11","slug":"podcast-228-buzzard-and-hurtado-on-god-and-jesus-part-1","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-228-buzzard-and-hurtado-on-god-and-jesus-part-1\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 228 &#8211; Buzzard and Hurtado on God and Jesus &#8211; Part 1"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_2079\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-40238-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities228.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities228.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities228.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities228.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=40238-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities228.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities228.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft wp-image-40239\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Screenshot-2018-05-21-20.13.36-334x450.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"272\" height=\"366\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Screenshot-2018-05-21-20.13.36-334x450.png 334w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Screenshot-2018-05-21-20.13.36.png 455w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 272px) 100vw, 272px\" \/>In this episode,<strong> biblical unitarian author Sir Anthony Buzzard dialogues with leading scholar of early Christianity Dr. Larry Hurtado<\/strong>. (This happened in October of 2016 and was posted on <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/channel\/UC3LYPAGechgOusC7JmcQe_w\">the Restoration Fellowship YouTube channel<\/a>.) I&#8217;ve edited the audio for clarity and length, and I jump in a few times with observations about the views of each, and even with a few objections.<\/p>\n<p>I focus particularly on what they think the correct response is, based on the New Testament, to arguments like these:<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>According to the NT, we should worship Jesus.<\/li>\n<li>According to the NT, we should only worship God.<\/li>\n<li><strong>Therefore, according to the NT Jesus just is God (and vice-versa)<\/strong>.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>According to the NT, we should worship Jesus.<\/li>\n<li>According to the NT, we should only someone who is essentially divine.<\/li>\n<li>Therefore, according to the NT Jesus is essentially divine.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p><strong>Each begins with a summary of their life&#8217;s work<\/strong> in theology and related fields, so if you&#8217;re not familiar with either, the first portion of this gives you a good entry into their histories, interests, publications, and views.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=2IJ9Mz7Lnkc\"><strong>Anthony Buzzard hosts Dr. Larry Hurtado: God, Jesus &amp; the Trinity<\/strong><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-40241 alignright\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Screenshot-2018-05-21-20.14.13-397x450.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"325\" height=\"368\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Screenshot-2018-05-21-20.14.13-397x450.png 397w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Screenshot-2018-05-21-20.14.13.png 661w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 325px) 100vw, 325px\" \/><\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/channel\/UC3LYPAGechgOusC7JmcQe_w\">Restoration Fellowship YouTube channel<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 45 \u2013 Sir Anthony Buzzard on Christian mistakes\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-45-sir-anthony-buzzard-on-christian-mistakes\/\">podcast 45 \u2013 Sir Anthony Buzzard on Christian mistakes<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 44 \u2013 The Spiritual Journey of Sir Anthony Buzzard\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-44-the-spiritual-journey-of-sir-anthony-buzzard\/\">podcast 44 \u2013 The Spiritual Journey of Sir Anthony Buzzard<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 194 \u2013 God: One Person or Three? Sanders vs. Buzzard debate\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-194-god-one-person-or-three-sanders-vs-buzzard-debate\/\">podcast 194 \u2013 God: One Person or Three? Sanders vs. Buzzard debate<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/larryhurtado.wordpress.com\/\"><strong>Larry Hurtado&#8217;s blog<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 150 \u2013 Dr. Larry Hurtado\u2019s Destroyer of the gods \u2013 Part 2\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-150-dr-larry-hurtados-destroyer-of-the-gods-part-2\/\">podcast 150 \u2013 Dr. Larry Hurtado\u2019s Destroyer of the gods \u2013 Part 2<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 149 \u2013 Dr. Larry Hurtado\u2019s Destroyer of the gods \u2013 Part 1\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-149-dr-larry-hurtados-destroyer-of-the-gods-part-1\/\">podcast 149 \u2013 Dr. Larry Hurtado\u2019s Destroyer of the gods \u2013 Part 1<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 100 \u2013 Dr. Larry Hurtado on God in New Testament Theology\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-100-dr-larry-hurtado-on-god-in-new-testament-theology\/\">podcast 100 \u2013 Dr. Larry Hurtado on God in New Testament Theology<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 99 \u2013 Dr. Larry Hurtado on early high christology\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-99-dr-larry-hurtado-on-early-high-christology\/\">podcast 99 \u2013 Dr. Larry Hurtado on early high christology<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/larry-hurtado-on-early-christians-worship-of-jesus\/\">Larry Hurtado on early Christians\u2019 worship of Jesus <\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/hurtado-on-the-worship-of-jesus\/\">Hurtado on the early worship of Jesus<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/worship-of-jesus-worship-of-god-and-the-fulfillment-fallacy\/\">Worship of Jesus, Worship of God, and the Fulfillment Fallacy<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-189-the-unfinished-business-of-the-reformation\/\"><strong>podcast 189 \u2013 The unfinished business of the Reformation<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/properties\/\">Properties<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/essential-accidental\/\">Essential vs. Accidental Properties<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/substance\/\">Substance<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/trinity\/\">Trinity<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.iep.utm.edu\/incarnat\/\">Incarnation<\/a><\/li>\n<li>This week&#8217;s thinking music is &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Marco_Trovatello\/Not_At_All\/08_-_Shuttleworth\">Shuttleworth (Interval)<\/a>&#8221; by <a href=\"http:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Marco_Trovatello\/Not_At_All\/08_-_Shuttleworth\">Marco Trovatello<\/a>.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A conversation about the New Testament on God, Jesus, and worship.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":40239,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[37,21,16,14,56,9,57,13,43],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-40238","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-apologetics","category-bible","category-books","category-history","category-interview","category-philosophy","category-podcast","category-theologians","category-unitarianism"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/40238","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=40238"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/40238\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":40250,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/40238\/revisions\/40250"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/40239"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=40238"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=40238"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=40238"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}