{"id":40416,"date":"2018-06-12T00:22:39","date_gmt":"2018-06-12T04:22:39","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=40416"},"modified":"2018-06-12T15:40:23","modified_gmt":"2018-06-12T19:40:23","slug":"podcast-231-swinburnes-social-theory-of-the-trinity","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-231-swinburnes-social-theory-of-the-trinity\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 231 &#8211; Swinburne&#8217;s Social Theory of the Trinity"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_7827\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-40416-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities231.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities231.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities231.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities231.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=40416-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities231.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities231.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><p><a href=\"http:\/\/capturingchristianity.com\/my-interview-and-portraits-of-richard-swinburne\/http:\/\/\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-medium wp-image-40417\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Swinburne-in-March-2018-450x253.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"450\" height=\"253\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Swinburne-in-March-2018-450x253.png 450w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Swinburne-in-March-2018-768x432.png 768w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Swinburne-in-March-2018-1024x576.png 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 450px) 100vw, 450px\" \/><\/a>Professor Swinburne is famous for his many books which carefully develop and defend Christian claims. In this talk given to the Evangelical Philosophical Society in March of 2018, he gives <strong>his latest thoughts on the Trinity<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>Swinburne&#8217;s is usually called <strong>a &#8220;social&#8221; Trinity theory<\/strong>, <a href=\"https:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/trinity\/\">what I call a &#8220;three self&#8221; theory<\/a>. For him, the &#8220;Persons&#8221; of the Trinity are so many selves, three conscious, intelligent, intentionally acting beings (individual entities, substances), capable of love and cooperation.<\/p>\n<p>Is this a distinctively <strong>eastern or &#8220;Greek&#8221; theory<\/strong>, as opposed to western or &#8220;Latin&#8221; Trinity theories? Swinburne denies that it is, sketching his understanding of catholic views on the Trinity from the last 4th c. into the modern era. He also explains why, in his view, it is important for most trinitarians to have a philosophical argument for the Trinity. He defends the coherence of multiple divine beings, and then gives his latest version of <strong>his <em>a priori<\/em> argument that there must be exactly three<\/strong> divine persons, an argument of general sort discussed in our <a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-230-the-failure-of-fashionable-antiunitarian-arguments\/\">previous episode<\/a>. Finally, he handles some interesting questions and objections in the Q&amp;A portion of his presentation.<\/p>\n<p>Do you find this to be a compelling account of the Trinity? Why or why not?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 58 \u2013 We can\u2019t prove the Trinity by reason alone\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-58-we-cant-prove-the-trinity-by-reason-alone\/\">Evangelical Philosophical Society<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.saintconstantine.org\/about\/fast-facts\/\">The Saint Constantine School<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/swbts.edu\/academics\/campuses\/houston\/\">Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary \u2013 Houston Campus<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.hbu.edu\/contact\/joshua-farris\/\">Joshua Farris<\/a><\/li>\n<li><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/capturingchristianity.com\/my-interview-and-portraits-of-richard-swinburne\/\">Cameron Bertuzzi&#8217;s interview and portraits of Richard Swinburne<\/a> @ <\/strong><a href=\"http:\/\/capturingchristianity.com\/\"><strong>Capturing Christianity<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/users.ox.ac.uk\/~orie0087\/\">Richard Swinburne<\/a>\n<ul>\n<li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.cambridge.org\/core\/journals\/religious-studies\/article\/social-theory-of-the-trinity\/1FB6A34C5E2FA9EA4A93FE28552037DF\">&#8220;The social theory of the Trinity&#8221;<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<li><em><a title=\"The Christian God by Richard Swinurne\" href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/0198235127\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">The Christian God<\/a>\u00a0<\/em>(<a title=\"The Christian God, by Richard Swinburne, kindle edition\" href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/B004BXAK16\">kindle<\/a>)<\/li>\n<li><em><a title=\"Is There a God? Second, revised edition, by Richard Swinburne\" href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/019958043X\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Is There a God?, 2nd ed<\/a>. <\/em>(<a title=\"Is there a God? By Richard Swinburne, revised edition for kindle\" href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/B00DO8PM0S\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">kindle<\/a>)<\/li>\n<li><em><a title=\"Was Jesus God? by Richard Swinburne\" href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/0199580448\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Was Jesus God?<\/a><\/em> (<a title=\"kindle edition of Was Jesus God?\" href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/trinities-20\/detail\/B006NXGKU2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">kindle<\/a>)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 58 \u2013 We can\u2019t prove the Trinity by reason alone\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-58-we-cant-prove-the-trinity-by-reason-alone\/\">podcast 58 \u2013 We can\u2019t prove the Trinity by reason alone<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 57 \u2013 Richard Swinburne on the Trinity\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-57-richard-swinburne-on-the-trinity\/\">podcast 57 \u2013 Richard Swinburne on the Trinity<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 56 \u2013 Richard Swinburne on his life and work\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-56-richard-swinburne-on-his-life-and-work\/\">podcast 56 \u2013 Richard Swinburne on his life and work<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-230-the-failure-of-fashionable-antiunitarian-arguments\/\">podcast 230 \u2013 The Failure of Fashionable Antiunitarian Arguments<\/a><\/li>\n<li>This week&#8217;s thinking music is &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Doctor_Turtle\/The_Double-Down_Two-Step\/his_last_share_of_the_stars_zeroed\">His Last Share of the Stars<\/a>&#8221; by <a href=\"http:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Doctor_Turtle\/\">Doctor Turtle<\/a>.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A leading Christian philosopher explains his &#8220;Social&#8221; Trinity theory.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":40417,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[21,88,14,55,47,9,57,13,3],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-40416","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-bible","category-eastern-orthodoxy","category-history","category-holy-spirit","category-papers","category-philosophy","category-podcast","category-theologians","category-theories"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/40416","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=40416"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/40416\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":40425,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/40416\/revisions\/40425"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/40417"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=40416"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=40416"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=40416"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}