{"id":40636,"date":"2018-10-07T22:16:58","date_gmt":"2018-10-08T02:16:58","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=40636"},"modified":"2018-10-07T22:16:58","modified_gmt":"2018-10-08T02:16:58","slug":"podcast-240-dr-beau-branson-on-the-monarchy-of-the-father-part-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-240-dr-beau-branson-on-the-monarchy-of-the-father-part-2\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 240 \u2013 Dr. Beau Branson on the Monarchy of the Father \u2013 Part 2"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_2243\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-40636-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities240.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities240.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities240.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities240.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=40636-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities240.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities240.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-40638 alignleft\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Beau-Branson-450x450.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"363\" height=\"363\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Beau-Branson-450x450.jpg 450w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Beau-Branson-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Beau-Branson-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Beau-Branson.jpg 960w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 363px) 100vw, 363px\" \/>In this second portion of his presentation, Dr. Branson discusses how different views on the Trinity relate to <strong>Orthodox-Roman Catholic relations<\/strong>, including the famous <em>filioque<\/em> (&#8220;and the Son&#8221;) dispute and the Great Schism.<\/p>\n<p>He also claims that this is <strong>the first appearance of a tripersonal God<\/strong> in official, conciliar Roman Catholic creeds:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8230;we declare our belief in<strong> one God, in three persons consubstantial<\/strong>, divine and autonomous, as, for example, we may look at the one nature of light in three suns not unlike each other or in the same number of dazzling objects. We confess, indeed, God to be one, <strong>unique in respect of substance, but threefold or three if we are speaking of him in respect of persons<\/strong>, and we declare he has not received from himself that he has been made, nor in any way whatsoever from anyone else; but that he is alone, ever existing without beginning, and eternal, even the same and like to himself, and suffering no change or alteration; that he exists as the maker and source of all beings endowed with intelligence and feeling. (,&#8221;Definition of the holy and universal eighth synod,&#8221;<strong> [869-70]<\/strong> in <em>Decrees of the Ecumenical Council<\/em>s, Ed. Norman Tanner Vol. I, pp. 160-61)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Quoting a few leading present-day patristics scholars, he argues that worries about &#8220;<strong>subordinationism<\/strong>&#8221; are misplaced, as any patristic Trinity doctrine will feature some sort of subordinationism. Finally, he shares two <strong>passages from Gregory of Nyssa<\/strong> which he says show some subordination of Son to Father, which is just a corollary of the unique monarchy of the Father, i.e. his being the one God.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-239-dr-beau-branson-on-the-monarchy-of-the-father-part-1\/\">Part 1<\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Photios_I_of_Constantinople#\/media\/File:Facial_Chronicle_-_b.13,_p.414_-_Photios_baptising_king_of_Bulgars.gif\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright wp-image-40641 size-medium\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Photios_baptising_king_of_Bulgars-340x450.jpg\" alt=\"Photios baptizing the King of Bulgaria\" width=\"340\" height=\"450\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Photios_baptising_king_of_Bulgars-340x450.jpg 340w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Photios_baptising_king_of_Bulgars.jpg 735w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 340px) 100vw, 340px\" \/><\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.beaubranson.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><strong>Dr. Branson\u2019s homepage<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.beaubranson.com\/research\/\">Dr. Branson\u2019s slides with the unedited audio are posted here<\/a> (today\u2019s episode covers most of his Part 2 and the first portion of his Part 3).<\/li>\n<li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Photios_I_of_Constantinople\">Photios I of Constantinople<\/a> <\/strong>(d. 893)\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/pages.uoregon.edu\/sshoemak\/324\/texts\/photius_encyclical.htm\">Encyclical to the Eastern Patriarchs (866)<\/a><\/li>\n<li><em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Mystagogy-Holy-Spirit-Fathers-church\/dp\/091658688X\/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1538947868&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=The+Mystagogy+of+the+Holy+Spirit\">The Mystagogy of the Holy Spirit<\/a><\/em><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li>8th Ecumenical Council &#8211; <a href=\"http:\/\/www.intratext.com\/IXT\/ENG0058\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Constantinople IV (869-870)<\/a> (Roman Catholic)<\/li>\n<li>8th Ecumenical Council &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Fourth_Council_of_Constantinople_(Eastern_Orthodox)\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Constantinople IV (879-880)<\/a>\u00a0 (Eastern Orthodox)<\/li>\n<li>This week\u2019s thinking music is <a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/Chants_of_the_Russian_Orthodox_Church2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">\u201cGreat Doxology\u201d from Chants of the Russian Orthodox Church 2<\/a>.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Is the first Catholic conciliar statement about a tripersonal God in the late 9th c.?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":40638,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[58,88,9,57,76,43],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-40636","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-creeds","category-eastern-orthodoxy","category-philosophy","category-podcast","category-roman-catholicism","category-unitarianism"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/40636","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=40636"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/40636\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":40647,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/40636\/revisions\/40647"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/40638"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=40636"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=40636"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=40636"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}