{"id":40667,"date":"2018-10-15T19:29:14","date_gmt":"2018-10-15T23:29:14","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=40667"},"modified":"2018-10-15T19:29:14","modified_gmt":"2018-10-15T23:29:14","slug":"podcast-241-dr-beau-branson-on-the-monarchy-of-the-father-part-3","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-241-dr-beau-branson-on-the-monarchy-of-the-father-part-3\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 241 \u2013 Dr. Beau Branson on the Monarchy of the Father \u2013 Part 3"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_7363\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-40667-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities241.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities241.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities241.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities241.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=40667-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities241.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities241.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><p>In this third part, Dr. Branson starts by discussing what was perceived as Arius&#8217;s patrological failing: implicitly denying that <em>fatherhood<\/em> is essential to God. Dr. Branson then makes this argument:<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-medium wp-image-40668\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/success-413093_640-338x450.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"338\" height=\"450\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/success-413093_640-338x450.jpg 338w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/success-413093_640.jpg 480w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 338px) 100vw, 338px\" \/>God is a necessary and eternal being (exists at all times in all possible worlds).\u00a0 &#8211; Premise<\/li>\n<li>If any X counts as a Father, then there is a distinct Y such that Y is the Son (Offspring) of X. &#8211; Premise (analytic &amp; necessary truth)<\/li>\n<li>Therefore,<strong> if Fatherhood is essential to God, then it\u2019s necessarily and eternally true that there is a Son<\/strong>. (1, 2)<\/li>\n<li>Fatherhood is essential to God.\u00a0 &#8211; Premise<\/li>\n<li>The Son is also a necessary and eternal being (exists at all times &amp; all worlds.) (2 &amp; 3 &amp; the assumption that there are not different sons in different worlds.)<\/li>\n<li>Creatures are all contingent and non-eternal. (So if X is a creature, there are worlds and times where X does not exist.)\u00a0 &#8211; Premise<\/li>\n<li>Therefore, the Son of God is not a creature.\u00a0 (5,6)<\/li>\n<li>If X is not divine, X is created.\u00a0 &#8211; Premise<\/li>\n<li>Therefore, the Son of God is divine. (7,8)<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>Dr. Branson points out that this will probably drive the unitarian to deny 4, the least plausible of the premises.<\/p>\n<p>He then disputes my claim that <strong>the key moment<\/strong> in (what I call) the unitarian to trinitarian change in catholic Christianity was the council in 381. He discusses passages in this connection from <strong>Gregory of Nazianzen, John of Damascus, and Theodore Abu Qurrah<\/strong>. He argues that I&#8217;m an unwitting ally of Roman Catholic theology in that I misread &#8220;the fathers&#8221; as what Dr. Branson calls &#8220;egalitarian\u00a0 trinitarians.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>He ends by arguing that his &#8220;monarchical trinitarianism&#8221; may be compatible with some &#8220;social&#8221; or\u00a0 constutition theory of the Trinity, and he urges that on my definitions, contrary to my intentions, a theory may count as <strong>both trinitarian and unitarian<\/strong>. In contrast, on his preferred definitions, trinitarian and unitarian are <strong>mutually exclusive<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright wp-image-40671 \" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Gregor-Chora.jpg\" alt=\"Gregory of Nazianzus\" width=\"299\" height=\"824\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Gregor-Chora.jpg 370w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Gregor-Chora-163x450.jpg 163w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 299px) 100vw, 299px\" \/><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-239-dr-beau-branson-on-the-monarchy-of-the-father-part-1\/\">Part 1<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-240-dr-beau-branson-on-the-monarchy-of-the-father-part-2\/\">Part 2<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.beaubranson.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><strong>Dr. Branson\u2019s homepage<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.beaubranson.com\/research\/\">Dr. Branson\u2019s slides with his unedited audio are posted here<\/a> (today\u2019s episode covers the ond of his Part 3 and the first portion of his Part 4).<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.newadvent.org\/cathen\/07349b.htm\">Hilary of Poitiers<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/justus.anglican.org\/resources\/bio\/155.html\">Gregory of Nazianzus<\/a>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Select-Orations-Fathers-Church-Patristic\/dp\/0813227690\/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1539644520&amp;sr=8-3&amp;keywords=Nazianzus\"><em>Select Orations<\/em><\/a>, trans. Martha Vinson<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/AD-381-Heretics-Pagans-Christian\/dp\/1845950070\/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1539644655&amp;sr=8-3&amp;keywords=freeman+381+ad\">AD 381: Heretics, Pagans and the Christian State<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-30-the-council-of-nicea\/\">podcast 30 \u2013 The Council of Nicea<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/the-orthodox-formulas-2-the-council-of-constantinople-381\/\">The Orthodox Formulas 2: The Council of Constantinople (381)<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.christianitytoday.com\/history\/people\/theologians\/john-of-damascus.html\">John of Damascus<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Theodore_Abu_Qurrah\">Theodore Abu Qurrah<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=9XBKJu8UmaY\">God and &#8220;God&#8221; in the Bible &#8211; Ambiguous Words in the Bible &#8211; Pt-1 &#8211; Dr. Dale Tuggy<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-189-the-unfinished-business-of-the-reformation\/\">podcast 189 \u2013 The unfinished business of the Reformation<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/trinity\/\">analytic Trinity theories<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/set-theory\/\">Set Theory<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.academia.edu\/4479697\/Constitution_Trinitarianism_An_Appraisal_Philosophy_and_Theology_25_1_129-62_2013\">&#8220;Constitution Trinitarianism: An Appraisal&#8221;<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/a-formulation-of-leibnizs-law-the-indiscernibility-of-identicals\/\">A formulation of Leibniz\u2019s Law \/ the Indiscernibility of Identicals<\/a><\/li>\n<li>This week&#8217;s thinking music is <a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/Chants_of_the_Russian_Orthodox_Church2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">\u201cFall asleep by the flash old Kiev Chant&#8221; from Chants of the Russian Orthodox Church 2<\/a>.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Was 381 the dawn of imperially enforced confession of a triune God?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":40673,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[58,75,88,4,14,38,9,57,76,13,3,43],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-40667","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-creeds","category-divine-attributes","category-eastern-orthodoxy","category-heresy-orthodoxy","category-history","category-monotheism","category-philosophy","category-podcast","category-roman-catholicism","category-theologians","category-theories","category-unitarianism"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/40667","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=40667"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/40667\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":40680,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/40667\/revisions\/40680"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/40673"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=40667"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=40667"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=40667"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}