{"id":40725,"date":"2018-11-12T17:13:46","date_gmt":"2018-11-12T22:13:46","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=40725"},"modified":"2018-11-12T17:13:46","modified_gmt":"2018-11-12T22:13:46","slug":"podcast-243-response-to-branson-part-1-the-orthodox-doctrine-of-the-trinity","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-243-response-to-branson-part-1-the-orthodox-doctrine-of-the-trinity\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 243 &#8211; Response to Branson Part 1 &#8211; The Orthodox Doctrine of the Trinity"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_2130\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-40725-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities243.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities243.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities243.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities243.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=40725-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities243.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities243.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-40728 alignright\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Screenshot-2018-11-12-13.42.01-330x450.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"330\" height=\"450\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Screenshot-2018-11-12-13.42.01-330x450.png 330w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Screenshot-2018-11-12-13.42.01-768x1049.png 768w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Screenshot-2018-11-12-13.42.01-750x1024.png 750w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Screenshot-2018-11-12-13.42.01.png 878w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 330px) 100vw, 330px\" \/>In this first part of my response to Dr. Beau Branson&#8217;s &#8220;The Neglected Monarchy of the Father and the Analytic Debate about the Trinity,&#8221; I <strong>dispute his claim that his in &#8220;the&#8221; Orthodox view of the Trinity<\/strong>. I discuss several recent authorities on Eastern Orthodox theology who clearly hold <strong>that the one God is the Trinity<\/strong> (and so, not the Father alone).<\/p>\n<p>I also relate some <strong>anecdotes about my interactions<\/strong> with Orthodox people and Orthodoxy on the Trinity, and I discuss the Orthodox (and generally, catholic) penchant for appeals to &#8220;<strong>mystery<\/strong>.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>I then explain why in my view the <strong>381 creed<\/strong> assumes that there is a triune God, whereas the 325 creed does not.<\/p>\n<p>I also suggest that Dr. Branson and I have more in common than he realizes, despite our differences.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.beaubranson.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Dr. Beau Branson&#8217;s homepag<\/a>e<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-239-dr-beau-branson-on-the-monarchy-of-the-father-part-1\/\">Branson Part 1<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-240-dr-beau-branson-on-the-monarchy-of-the-father-part-2\/\">Part 2,<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-241-dr-beau-branson-on-the-monarchy-of-the-father-part-3\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Part 3<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-242-dr-beau-branson-on-the-monarchy-of-the-father-part-4\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Part 4<\/a><\/li>\n<li>&#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.academia.edu\/715785\/The_unfinished_business_of_Trinitarian_theorizing\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">The unfinished business of Trinitarian theorizing<\/a>&#8220;<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.dropbox.com\/s\/hfl99izdrs7zjum\/Tuggy%20-%20A%20Trinitarian%20Dilemma%20Russian%20translation%20-%20conference%20paper%20from%202001.pdf?dl=0\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><strong>&#8220;A Trinitarian Dilemma&#8221; (Russian version)<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n<li>&#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.academia.edu\/23870189\/_Divine_deception_identity_and_Social_Trinitarianism_Religious_Studies_40_269-87_2004\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Divine deception, identity, and Social Trinitarianism<\/a>&#8220;<\/li>\n<li>&#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.academia.edu\/23869124\/_Divine_Deception_and_Monotheism_Journal_of_Analytic_Theology_2_186-209_2014\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Divine Deception and Monotheism<\/a>&#8220;<\/li>\n<li>&#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.academia.edu\/4479687\/_On_Positive_Mysterianism_International_Journal_for_Philosophy_of_Religion_69_3_205-26_2011\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">On Positive Mysterianism<\/a>&#8220;<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/dealing-with-apparent-contradictions-part-14-james-andersons-paradox-in-christian-theology\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Dealing with Apparent Contradictions: Part 14 \u2013 James Anderson\u2019s Paradox in Christian Theology<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/trinity\/#Mys\"><strong>mysterianism<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.logicallyfallacious.com\/tools\/lp\/Bo\/LogicalFallacies\/163\/Special_Pleading\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">special pleading<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-57-richard-swinburne-on-the-trinity\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">podcast 57 \u2013 Richard Swinburne on the Trinity<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-231-swinburnes-social-theory-of-the-trinity\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">podcast 231 \u2013 Swinburne\u2019s Social Theory of the Trinity<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Introducing-Eastern-Orthodox-Theology-2013-11-11\/dp\/B01N8UAY2Z\/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1542053217&amp;sr=8-2&amp;keywords=Louth%2C+Introducing+Eastern+Orthodox+Theology\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><strong>Louth, <\/strong><em><strong>Introducing Eastern Orthodox Theology<\/strong><\/em><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Introducing-Eastern-Orthodox-Theology-2013-11-11\/dp\/B01N8UAY2Z\/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1542053217&amp;sr=8-2&amp;keywords=Louth%2C+Introducing+Eastern+Orthodox+Theology\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><em><strong><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-medium wp-image-40738\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Louth-Introducing-Orthodx-Theology-300x450.jpg\" alt=\"Louth - Introducing Eastern Orthodox Theology\" width=\"300\" height=\"450\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Louth-Introducing-Orthodx-Theology-300x450.jpg 300w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Louth-Introducing-Orthodx-Theology.jpg 432w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/strong><\/em><\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Orthodox-Dogmatic-Theology-Concise-Exposition\/dp\/0938635697\/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1542053176&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=Pomazansky%2C+Orthodox+Dogmatic+Theology\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Pomazansky,<em> Orthodox Dogmatic Theology<\/em><\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.svots.edu\/profile\/very-rev-dr-john-behr\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Dr. John Behr<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Orthodox-Church-Introduction-Eastern-Christianity\/dp\/014198063X\/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1542053265&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=Ware%2C+The+Orthodox+Church\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Ware, <em>The Orthodox Church<\/em><\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Mystical-Theology-Eastern-Church\/dp\/0913836311\/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1542053326&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=Lossky%2C+The+Mystical+Theology+of+the+Eastern+Church\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Lossky, <em>The Mystical Theology of the Eastern Church<\/em><\/a><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"podcast 31 \u2013 Dr. William Hasker on the \u201cArian\u201d Controversy\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-31-william-hasker-on-the-arian-controversy\/\">podcast 31 \u2013 Dr. William Hasker on the \u201cArian\u201d Controversy<\/a><\/li>\n<li><strong><a title=\"podcast 30 \u2013 The Council of Nicea\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-30-the-council-of-nicea\/\">podcast 30 \u2013 The Council of Nicea<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/10-steps-towards-getting-less-confused-about-the-trinity-6-get-a-date-part-2\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><strong>10 steps towards getting less confused about the Trinity \u2013 #6 get a date \u2013 part 2<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/the-orthodox-formulas-2-the-council-of-constantinople-381\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">The Orthodox Formulas 2: The Council of Constantinople (381)<\/a><\/li>\n<li>This week&#8217;s thinking music is &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/dig.ccmixter.org\/files\/_ghost\/43086\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Mistakes were made<\/a>&#8221; by <a href=\"http:\/\/dig.ccmixter.org\/people\/_ghost\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">_ghost<\/a>.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Most Orthodox theologians agree with Catholics and most Protestants that the one God is the Trinity.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":40728,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[58,88,4,14,9,57,43],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-40725","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-creeds","category-eastern-orthodoxy","category-heresy-orthodoxy","category-history","category-philosophy","category-podcast","category-unitarianism"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/40725","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=40725"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/40725\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":40741,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/40725\/revisions\/40741"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/40728"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=40725"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=40725"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=40725"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}