{"id":41018,"date":"2019-02-11T14:36:06","date_gmt":"2019-02-11T19:36:06","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=41018"},"modified":"2019-02-11T14:40:34","modified_gmt":"2019-02-11T19:40:34","slug":"podcast-252-fred-sanders-on-seeing-the-trinity-in-scripture-and-his-secret","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-252-fred-sanders-on-seeing-the-trinity-in-scripture-and-his-secret\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 252 &#8211; Fred Sanders on Seeing the Trinity in Scripture, and his Secret"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_8976\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-41018-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities252.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities252.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities252.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities252.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=41018-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities252.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities252.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p>\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignleft is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Sanders-2-Annotation-2019-02-08-215932-1024x647.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-41019\" width=\"419\" height=\"265\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Sanders-2-Annotation-2019-02-08-215932-1024x647.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Sanders-2-Annotation-2019-02-08-215932-450x284.jpg 450w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Sanders-2-Annotation-2019-02-08-215932-768x486.jpg 768w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Sanders-2-Annotation-2019-02-08-215932.jpg 1411w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 419px) 100vw, 419px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In October of 2018 <strong>Dr. Fred Sanders of Biola University<\/strong> gave a talk for Lanier Library Lecture Series in Houston, Texas. His aim is to show ordinary believers <strong>how they can perceive the triune God in the Bible<\/strong>. He starts with an wide-angle view of scripture, and then zooms in to discuss three New Testament passages in which he claims we can observe the idea of a triune God, the Trinity. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In this episode I have edited the lecture for length, trying to leave just the meat of his case, and I critically interact with Dr. Sanders&#8217;s claims. At the end I discuss what I call <strong>his &#8220;Secret&#8221;<\/strong> &#8211; an important fact that he chooses not to share with popular audiences.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">What did you think of Dr. Sander&#8217;s case? <strong>Does he show us how to perceive<\/strong> (rather than project) the assumption of New Testament authors that God is triune? Let us know what you think in <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"the Facebook group (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/groups\/trinities\/\" target=\"_blank\">the Facebook group<\/a> or in the comments below<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignright is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Sanders-3-Annotation-2019-02-08-220036-2-1024x912.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-41032\" width=\"314\" height=\"279\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Sanders-3-Annotation-2019-02-08-220036-2-1024x912.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Sanders-3-Annotation-2019-02-08-220036-2-450x401.jpg 450w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Sanders-3-Annotation-2019-02-08-220036-2-768x684.jpg 768w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Sanders-3-Annotation-2019-02-08-220036-2.jpg 1127w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 314px) 100vw, 314px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\" (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=7w3FJLGgxKs\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>Lecture &#8211; Fred Sanders (The Triune God of the Bible: Seeing the Trinity in Scripture)<\/strong><\/a><\/li><li> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.fredfredfred.com\/\">Dr. Sanders\u2019s website<\/a><\/li><li>Dr. Sanders\u2019s blog <a href=\"http:\/\/scriptoriumdaily.com\/\"><em>Scriptorum Daily<\/em><\/a> <\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Lanier Theological Library (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.laniertheologicallibrary.org\/\" target=\"_blank\">Lanier Theological Library<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Lanier Theological Library Lecture Series? (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.laniertheologicallibrary.org\/about-ltl-events\/\" target=\"_blank\">Lanier Theological Library Lecture Series<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"one-self Trinity theories (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/trinity\/#OneSel\" target=\"_blank\">one-self Trinity theories<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"podcast 192 \u2013 Review of Sanders\u2019s The Deep Things of God \u2013 Part 1\n (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-192-review-of-sanderss-the-deep-things-of-god-part-1\/\" target=\"_blank\">podcast 192 \u2013 Review of Sanders\u2019s The Deep Things of God \u2013 Part 1<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"podcast 193 \u2013 Review of Sanders\u2019s The Deep Things of God \u2013 Part 2\n (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-193-review-of-sanderss-the-deep-things-of-god-part-2\/\" target=\"_blank\">podcast 193 \u2013 Review of Sanders\u2019s The Deep Things of God \u2013 Part 2<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"podcast 193 \u2013 Review of Sanders\u2019s The Deep Things of God \u2013 Part 2\n (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-193-review-of-sanderss-the-deep-things-of-god-part-2\/\" target=\"_blank\"><\/a><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"podcast 189 \u2013 The unfinished business of the Reformation  (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-189-the-unfinished-business-of-the-reformation\/\" target=\"_blank\">podcast 189 \u2013 The unfinished business of the Reformation <\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"podcast 249 \u2013 Tuggy vs. Brown debate \u2013 The God of the Bible is the Father alone (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-249-tuggy-vs-brown-debate-the-god-of-the-bible-is-the-father-alone\/\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>podcast 249 \u2013 Tuggy vs. Brown debate \u2013 The God of the Bible is the Father alone<\/strong><\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Triune-God-New-Studies-Dogmatics\/dp\/0310491495\/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1505177284&amp;sr=1-1&amp;keywords=sanders%2C+the+triune+god\"><em><strong>The Triune God<\/strong><\/em><\/a><\/li><li>Tuggy, &#8220;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Divine deception, identity, and Social Trinitarianism (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/rdtwot.files.wordpress.com\/2010\/07\/tuggy_divine-deception-identity-and-social-trinitarianism.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">Divine deception, identity, and Social Trinitarianism<\/a>&#8220;<\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"The Lost Early History of Unitarian Christian Theology (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=0Hnlw4iMhE8&amp;t=1600s\" target=\"_blank\">The Lost Early History of Unitarian Christian Theology<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"podcast 70 \u2013 The one God and his Son according to John (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-70-the-one-god-and-his-son-according-to-john\/\" target=\"_blank\">podcast 70 \u2013 The one God and his Son according to John<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"podcast 71 \u2013 Is Proverbs 8 about Jesus? Part 1 (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-71-proverbs-8-jesus-part-1\/\" target=\"_blank\">podcast 71 \u2013 Is Proverbs 8 about Jesus? Part 1<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"podcast 107 \u2013 Dr. Robert M. Bowman Jr. on triadic New Testament passages \u2013 part 1 (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-107-dr-robert-m-bowman-jr-on-triadic-new-testament-passages-part-1\/\" target=\"_blank\">podcast 107 \u2013 Dr. Robert M. Bowman Jr. on triadic New Testament passages \u2013 part 1<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"podcast 108 \u2013 Dr. Robert M. Bowman Jr. on triadic New Testament passages \u2013 part 2 (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-108-dr-robert-m-bowman-jr-on-triadic-new-testament-passages-part-2\/\" target=\"_blank\">podcast 108 \u2013 Dr. Robert M. 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