{"id":41083,"date":"2019-03-11T23:49:13","date_gmt":"2019-03-12T03:49:13","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=41083"},"modified":"2019-03-11T23:49:18","modified_gmt":"2019-03-12T03:49:18","slug":"podcast-255-aaron-shelenberger-from-trinitarian-to-unitarian-part-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-255-aaron-shelenberger-from-trinitarian-to-unitarian-part-2\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 255 \u2013 Aaron Shelenberger, from trinitarian to unitarian \u2013 Part 2"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_8065\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-41083-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities255.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities255.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities255.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities255.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=41083-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities255.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities255.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p>\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignright is-resized\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=nMBWMRFNYTY\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/fear-not-450x450.jpg\" alt=\"Fear not!\" class=\"wp-image-41087\" width=\"376\" height=\"376\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/fear-not-450x450.jpg 450w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/fear-not-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/fear-not.jpg 720w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 376px) 100vw, 376px\" \/><\/a><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This episode is part 2 of my wide-ranging conversation with Aaron Shelenberger. Our topics include: <\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li><strong>what the future holds for biblical unitarianism<\/strong><\/li><li>converts to Orthodoxy or to Catholicism<\/li><li>the objection that<strong> surely God would not allow<\/strong> mainstream Christianity to go astray on such an important topic as the Trinity<\/li><li>a false narrative about 4th c. developments in catholic theology<\/li><li>avoidance of my scholarly work<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">We also discuss how his family reacted to his change of mind, where he fellowships now, and <strong>how he would advise evangelicals <\/strong>who are starting such investigations.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I also announce my <strong>upcoming debate<\/strong> with Chris Date<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignright is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/if-god-why-error.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-41088\" width=\"425\" height=\"180\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/if-god-why-error.jpg 790w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/if-god-why-error-450x191.jpg 450w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/if-god-why-error-768x327.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 425px) 100vw, 425px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li> <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-254-aaron-shelenberger-from-trinitarian-to-unitarian-part-1\/\">podcast 254 \u2013 Aaron Shelenberger, from trinitarian to unitarian \u2013 Part 1<\/a> <\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Rethinking Hell (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"http:\/\/rethinkinghell.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">Rethinking Hell<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Kingdom of God Ministry &amp; Missions (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/kogmissions.com\/\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>Kingdom of God Ministry &amp; Missions<\/strong><\/a> (<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Facebook page (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/KOGMinistryMissions\/\" target=\"_blank\">Facebook page<\/a>)<\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Jesus is Human and Not Divine - May 31 Debate (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/events\/964420377090511\/\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>Jesus is Human and Not Divine &#8211; May 31 Debate<\/strong><\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"10 steps towards getting less confused about the Trinity \u2013 #6 get a date \u2013 part 1 (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/10-steps-towards-getting-less-confused-about-the-trinity-6-get-a-date-part-1\/\" target=\"_blank\">10 steps towards getting less confused about the Trinity \u2013 #6 get a date \u2013 part 1<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"10 steps towards getting less confused about the Trinity \u2013 #6 get a date \u2013 part 2 (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/10-steps-towards-getting-less-confused-about-the-trinity-6-get-a-date-part-2\/\" target=\"_blank\">10 steps towards getting less confused about the Trinity \u2013 #6 get a date \u2013 part 2<\/a><\/li><li><em><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"What is the Trinity? (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.what-is-the-trinity.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">What is the Trinity<\/a><\/em><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"What is the Trinity? (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.what-is-the-trinity.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">?<\/a><\/li><li> <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-31-william-hasker-on-the-arian-controversy\/\">podcast 31 \u2013 Dr. William Hasker on the \u201cArian\u201d Controversy<\/a>  <\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-30-the-council-of-nicea\/\">podcast 30 \u2013 The Council of Nicea<\/a>  <\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-29-arius\/\">podcast 29 \u2013 Arius<\/a> <\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-28-interview-with-dr-william-hasker-about-his-metaphysics-and-the-tripersonal-god-part-2\/\">podcast 28 \u2013 Interview with Dr. William Hasker about his Metaphysics and the Tripersonal God \u2013 Part 2<\/a>  <\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-27-interview-with-dr-william-hasker-about-his-metaphysics-and-the-tripersonal-god-part-1\/\">podcast 27 \u2013 Interview with Dr. William Hasker about his Metaphysicsand the Tripersonal God \u2013 Part 1<\/a>   <\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/the-earliest-americans\/\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>the earliest Americans<\/strong><\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=wpBepYnW63s&amp;t=168s\" target=\"_blank\">Heretic! Four Approaches to Dropping H-Bombs &#8211; trinities 085<\/a><\/li><li>This week&#8217;s thinking music is &#8220;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/www.ccmixter.org\/files\/tobias_weber\/56664\" target=\"_blank\">Between Worlds (Instrumental)<\/a>&#8221; by <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/ccmixter.org\/people\/tobias_weber\" target=\"_blank\">Tobias Weber (aka aussens@iter)<\/a>.   <\/li><\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>How could God allow mainstream Christian doctrine to go astray?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":41087,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[37,6,58,88,4,14,56,57,76,43],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-41083","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-apologetics","category-complaints","category-creeds","category-eastern-orthodoxy","category-heresy-orthodoxy","category-history","category-interview","category-podcast","category-roman-catholicism","category-unitarianism"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/41083","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=41083"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/41083\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":41103,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/41083\/revisions\/41103"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/41087"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=41083"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=41083"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=41083"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}