{"id":41254,"date":"2019-04-08T19:41:25","date_gmt":"2019-04-08T23:41:25","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=41254"},"modified":"2019-04-08T19:42:10","modified_gmt":"2019-04-08T23:42:10","slug":"podcast-258-who-is-the-one-creator-part-1","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-258-who-is-the-one-creator-part-1\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 258 &#8211; Who is the one Creator? &#8211; Part 1"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_9706\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-41254-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities258.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities258.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities258.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities258.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=41254-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities258.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities258.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p>\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignleft is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/card-image-1024x576.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-41257\" width=\"486\" height=\"273\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/card-image-1024x576.png 1024w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/card-image-450x253.png 450w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/card-image-768x432.png 768w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/card-image.png 1362w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 486px) 100vw, 486px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Many texts in the Bible clearly assert that there is<strong> one creator<\/strong> of the cosmos, God himself. It also consistently <strong>distinguishes<\/strong> between Jesus and God. Yet some passages, according to catholic traditions, are understood to teach that <strong>the pre-human Jesus <\/strong>(or the divine &#8220;Person&#8221; which eventually united with the man Jesus) created the cosmos. Thus a Bible reader finds himself facing an inconsistent triad of claims, and since they can&#8217;t all be true, it seems that he ought to deny at least one of them: <\/p>\n\n\n\n<ol class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>God is the only creator.<\/li><li>Jesus is the only creator.<\/li><li>God and Jesus are two.<\/li><\/ol>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Which should be denied?<\/strong> In this talk I lay a groundwork for a principled, Protestant answer to this difficulty. I rule out one options as a non-starter, biblically speaking. I put my relevant presuppositions on the table, and examine <em><strong>clear<\/strong><\/em><strong> biblical passages about creation<\/strong>. I also discuss some relevant post-biblical ideas from the history of Christian theology, such as a distinction between a direct and an ultimate creator, or the idea that all the members of the Trinity equally created, and two things this might mean.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Next time, a careful look at the alleged Jesus-created passages, in light of all of this historical and biblical context. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">My Christian friend &#8211; why of the above three claims do you deny, and why?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Here is the recommended YouTube version of this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<div class=\"nv-iframe-embed\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"trinities podcast 258 - Who is the one Creator? - Part 1\" width=\"1200\" height=\"675\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/X8ZUuCVR0yI?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/div>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignright is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/direct-and-ultimate-creator-1024x576.png\" alt=\"A direct creator and an ultimate creator.\" class=\"wp-image-41259\" width=\"422\" height=\"237\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/direct-and-ultimate-creator-1024x576.png 1024w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/direct-and-ultimate-creator-450x253.png 450w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/direct-and-ultimate-creator-768x432.png 768w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/direct-and-ultimate-creator.png 1639w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 422px) 100vw, 422px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"podcast 124 \u2013 a challenge to \u201cJesus is God\u201d apologists (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-124-a-challenge-to-jesus-is-god-apologists\/\" target=\"_blank\">podcast 124 \u2013 a challenge to \u201cJesus is God\u201d apologists<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"podcast 12 \u2013 the Apostles\u2019 Creed (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-12-the-apostles-creed\/\" target=\"_blank\">podcast 12 \u2013 the Apostles\u2019 Creed<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"trinitarian or unitarian? 4 \u2013 Irenaeus\u2019s reported creeds (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/trinitarian-or-unitarian-4-irenaeuss-reported-creeds-dale\/\" target=\"_blank\">trinitarian or unitarian? 4 \u2013 Irenaeus\u2019s reported creeds<\/a><\/li><li>Genesis 1:1, Isaiah 45:12, Psalm 148:1-5, John 8:54-55, John 17:1-3,  Psalm 33:6-9, Isaiah 44:24, Mark 10:6, Mark 13:19, Romans 1:20, Acts 4:24, 14:15, 17:24-31, Hebrews 11:3, Ephesians 3:9, 1 Timothy 4:3-4, Revelation 4:11, Revelation 10:6, Revelation 14:7, Acts 4:23-30, Acts 17:24, Acts 17:30-31, Galatians 6:15, 2 Corinthians 5:17.<\/li><li>This week&#8217;s thinking music is &#8220;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Burning the Microwaves (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"http:\/\/dig.ccmixter.org\/files\/spinmeister\/54388\" target=\"_blank\">Burning the Microwaves<\/a>&#8221; by <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"spinmeister (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"http:\/\/dig.ccmixter.org\/people\/spinmeister\" target=\"_blank\">spinmeister<\/a>. <\/li><\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>What do both OT and NT clearly teach about who created?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":41257,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[21,15,91,58,14,9,57,3,43],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-41254","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-bible","category-christology","category-creation","category-creeds","category-history","category-philosophy","category-podcast","category-theories","category-unitarianism"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/41254","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=41254"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/41254\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":41270,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/41254\/revisions\/41270"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/41257"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=41254"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=41254"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=41254"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}