{"id":41273,"date":"2019-04-15T22:15:23","date_gmt":"2019-04-16T02:15:23","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=41273"},"modified":"2019-04-22T09:21:23","modified_gmt":"2019-04-22T13:21:23","slug":"podcast-259-who-is-the-one-creator-part-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-259-who-is-the-one-creator-part-2\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 259 &#8211; Who is the one Creator? &#8211; Part 2"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_8675\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-41273-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities259.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities259.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities259.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities259.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=41273-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities259.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities259.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p>\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignleft is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/mountain-scene-1024x578.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-41276\" width=\"402\" height=\"227\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/mountain-scene-1024x578.png 1024w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/mountain-scene-450x254.png 450w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/mountain-scene-768x433.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 402px) 100vw, 402px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">What is it to be the creator of the cosmos? And<strong> do a few New Testament passages really teach that Jesus created the cosmos<\/strong> (before he was a man)? <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Most interpreters now think so. <strong>John 1, 1 Corinthians 8, Hebrews 1, and Colossians 1<\/strong> are the most often cited, and some hold that the plural pronouns in <strong>Genesis 1<\/strong> also demand, or at least suggest, that the pre-human Jesus was involved in the creation of the universe. In ancient times, many would add that Proverbs 8 also portrays the Son&#8217;s involvement in creation. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In this episode, I argue that each of these passages, read in the context of the New and Old Testaments, <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"as discussed in Part 1 (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-258-who-is-the-one-creator-part-1\/\" target=\"_blank\">as discussed in Part 1<\/a>, <strong>should <\/strong><em><strong>not <\/strong><\/em><strong>be read as attributing the Genesis creation to Jesus<\/strong>. They are either not about Jesus, or they are not about the Genesis creation.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In sum, when it comes to this inconsistent triad of claims, I argue that <strong>a Christian ought to deny 2<\/strong>, while affirming 1 and 3.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignright is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/FireShot-Capture-006-Who-is-the-creator-2.pptx-Microsoft-PowerPoint-Online-onedrive.live_.com_-1024x587.png\" alt=\"What's really going on in John 1.\" class=\"wp-image-41277\" width=\"313\" height=\"179\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/FireShot-Capture-006-Who-is-the-creator-2.pptx-Microsoft-PowerPoint-Online-onedrive.live_.com_-1024x587.png 1024w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/FireShot-Capture-006-Who-is-the-creator-2.pptx-Microsoft-PowerPoint-Online-onedrive.live_.com_-450x258.png 450w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/FireShot-Capture-006-Who-is-the-creator-2.pptx-Microsoft-PowerPoint-Online-onedrive.live_.com_-768x440.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 313px) 100vw, 313px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<ol class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>The Father is the only creator.<\/li><li>Jesus is the only creator.<\/li><li>The Father and Jesus are two.<\/li><\/ol>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>The NT doctrine of creation <\/strong>is the same as the OT doctrine: creation is ascribed to God (aka the Father) alone. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>The YouTube version below is recommended:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<div class=\"nv-iframe-embed\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"trinities 259 \u2013 Who is the one Creator? \u2013 Part 2\" width=\"1200\" height=\"675\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/bGIKkswk38Y?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/div>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Part 1 (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-258-who-is-the-one-creator-part-1\/\" target=\"_blank\">Part 1<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Higher Ground Church (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"http:\/\/hgcnashville.org\/\" target=\"_blank\">Higher Ground Church<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"The Case Against Preexistence\n (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=dWDN_Zp-xZk&amp;t=653s\" target=\"_blank\">podcast 235 &#8211; The Case Against Preexistence<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"podcast 70 \u2013 The one God and his Son according to John (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-70-the-one-god-and-his-son-according-to-john\/\" target=\"_blank\">podcast 70 \u2013 The one God and his Son according to John<\/a><\/li><li>Genesis 1:26-27; Psalm 33:6-9; Proverbs 8:27-31; John 1:1-14; Baruch 3:37-4:1; Sirach 24:1-8, 23-25; 1 Corinthians 8:4-6; 1 Corinthians 12:4-6; 2 Corinthians 5:17-18; Colossians 1:1-20; Hebrews 1:1-14; Hebrews 2:5, 14-15.<\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Slartibartfast\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Slartibartfast (opens in a new tab)\">Slartibartfast<\/a><\/li><li> This week\u2019s thinking music is \u201c<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/dig.ccmixter.org\/files\/spinmeister\/54388\" target=\"_blank\">Burning the Microwaves<\/a>\u201d by <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/dig.ccmixter.org\/people\/spinmeister\" target=\"_blank\">spinmeister<\/a>.  <\/li><\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>No, the NT does not teach that Jesus created the cosmos.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":41277,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[21,15,91,75,9,57],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-41273","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-bible","category-christology","category-creation","category-divine-attributes","category-philosophy","category-podcast"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/41273","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=41273"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/41273\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":41286,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/41273\/revisions\/41286"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/41277"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=41273"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=41273"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=41273"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}