{"id":41289,"date":"2019-05-06T14:55:25","date_gmt":"2019-05-06T18:55:25","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=41289"},"modified":"2019-05-13T17:35:00","modified_gmt":"2019-05-13T21:35:00","slug":"podcast-260-how-to-argue-that-the-bible-is-trinitarian","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-260-how-to-argue-that-the-bible-is-trinitarian\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 260 &#8211; How to Argue that the Bible is Trinitarian"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_7288\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-41289-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities260.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities260.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities260.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities260.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=41289-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities260.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities260.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p>\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignright is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/how-to-prove-bible.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-41292\" width=\"287\" height=\"259\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/how-to-prove-bible.jpg 821w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/how-to-prove-bible-450x408.jpg 450w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/how-to-prove-bible-768x696.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 287px) 100vw, 287px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Many apologists <strong>offer simple deductive arguments <\/strong>purporting to show that the Bible rather obviously implies a creedal Trinity doctrine.<strong>Are those arguments sound?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This episode is my presentation on April 13, 2019 at the 28th Theological Conference. Because the talk is easier to follow with my slides, I recommend the YouTube version below.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">First, I show that <strong>this influential argument by Reformed theologian B.B. Warfield is invalid<\/strong> (that is, the conclusion doesn&#8217;t follow from the premises).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ol class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>There is only one God.<\/li><li>The Father and the Son and the Spirit are each God.<\/li><li>The Father and the Son and the Spirit are different persons.<\/li><li>Therefore, the doctrine of the Trinity is true.<\/li><\/ol>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignleft is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/advice-booth.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-41291\" width=\"304\" height=\"261\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/advice-booth.jpg 763w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/advice-booth-450x387.jpg 450w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 304px) 100vw, 304px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Unfortunately, this argument is unthinkingly recycled by countless later trinitarian apologists! Next, I show why this argument from trinitarian apologist Dr. Robert M. Bowman Jr. is <strong>valid but unsound<\/strong>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ol class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>All the elements of the doctrine are taught in Scripture.<\/li><li>The New Testament presents a consistent triad of Father, Son, Holy Spirit (God, Christ, Spirit). <\/li><li>Therefore, the Bible does teach the Trinity.<\/li><\/ol>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Finally, despite these failures<strong> I explain how, in principle, a trinitarian apologist might actually show<\/strong> that the Bible is trinitarian. It involves <em>far <\/em>more work than is usually assumed. To help, I lay out six points which should be acknowledged. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<div class=\"nv-iframe-embed\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"trinities 260 - How to Argue that the Bible is Trinitarian\" width=\"1200\" height=\"675\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/iWUwUhinBic?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/div>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Links for this episode:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"28th Theological Conference (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"http:\/\/theologicalconference.org\/\" target=\"_blank\">28th Theological Conference<\/a><\/li><li>Dr. Fred Sanders&#8217;s <a href=\"http:\/\/scriptoriumdaily.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/10\/Warfield-Trinity-Study-Edition.pdf\">Study of Edition of Warfield&#8217;s &#8220;Trinity&#8221;<\/a><\/li><li>Dr. Bowman&#8217;s  \u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/bib.irr.org\/series\/biblical-basis-of-doctrine-of-trinity\">The Biblical Basis of the Doctrine of the Trinity<\/a>\u201d <\/li><li>This week&#8217;s thinking music is &#8220;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Kalte Ohren (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"http:\/\/dig.ccmixter.org\/files\/AlexBeroza\/59612\" target=\"_blank\">Kalte Ohren<\/a>&#8221; by Alex.<\/li><\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Can it be easily shown that the Bible implies that God is tripersonal?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":41292,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[37,21,4,10,9,57,77,13,43],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-41289","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-apologetics","category-bible","category-heresy-orthodoxy","category-logic","category-philosophy","category-podcast","category-protestant","category-theologians","category-unitarianism"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/41289","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=41289"}],"version-history":[{"count":6,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/41289\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":41322,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/41289\/revisions\/41322"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/41292"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=41289"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=41289"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=41289"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}