{"id":41490,"date":"2019-07-09T22:54:36","date_gmt":"2019-07-10T02:54:36","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=41490"},"modified":"2019-07-09T22:59:57","modified_gmt":"2019-07-10T02:59:57","slug":"is-the-trinity-logically-coherent","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/is-the-trinity-logically-coherent\/","title":{"rendered":"Is the Trinity logically coherent?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">YouTube is so full of junk about Trinity theories, that when I find <strong>something intelligent on the subject<\/strong>, I am pleasantly surprised. Here&#8217;s a video which deserves more views:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<div class=\"nv-iframe-embed\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Is the Trinity logically coherent?\" width=\"1200\" height=\"675\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/H_WPuPdFsIg?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/div>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I would add that <strong>the question is not well put<\/strong>. It assumes, falsely, that there is some one claim here about God that can be tested for coherence. There is not; it&#8217;s like asking if the idea of human free will is coherent. There isn&#8217;t really one such idea, but rather there are at least two broad families of claims that must be evaluated separately. Proponents of &#8220;human free will&#8221; are not all pushing the same thing! Just so, with proponents of &#8220;the Trinity.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">As the video illustrates, <strong>Christians analytic theologians have tried to parse<\/strong> traditional, creedal language about the Trinity in a way that seems coherent. And they&#8217;ve come up with several <strong>competing<\/strong> (not complementary) ways to understand that language. The YouTuber here focuses on how language that each Person of the Trinity <strong>&#8220;is God.&#8221;<\/strong> <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Some of the things he or she says about the difficult idea of <strong>&#8220;relative identity&#8221;<\/strong> could be put more clearly and correctly; for this see this <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"podcast episode with Dr. H.E. Baber (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-68-dr-harriet-baber-on-relative-identity-and-the-trinity\/\" target=\"_blank\">podcast episode with Dr. H.E. Baber<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Anyway, bravo to any video that does more than recycling apologetics talking-points on this topic! Concern for the truth of the matter requires more than regurgitated defensive moves and over-simple and unclear arguments.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>When I find something on YouTube which is actually helpful, I am pleasantly surprised, and feel the need to share it. <\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":41496,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[37,8,9,3],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-41490","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-apologetics","category-linkage","category-philosophy","category-theories"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/41490","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=41490"}],"version-history":[{"count":4,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/41490\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":41498,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/41490\/revisions\/41498"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/41496"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=41490"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=41490"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=41490"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}