{"id":41569,"date":"2019-09-10T21:35:41","date_gmt":"2019-09-11T01:35:41","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=41569"},"modified":"2019-10-07T21:58:20","modified_gmt":"2019-10-08T02:58:20","slug":"podcast-270-origens-one-god","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-270-origens-one-god\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 270 &#8211; Origen&#8217;s &#8220;one God&#8221;"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_7896\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-41569-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities270.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities270.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities270.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities270.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=41569-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities270.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities270.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I might have called this episode &#8220;Origen&#8217;s two gods and his &#8216;one God.'&#8221; Or even: <strong>&#8220;Origen&#8217;s two deities, his one god, and his &#8216;one God.'&#8221;<\/strong> In it I present the first portion of <strong>Origen&#8217;s interesting <\/strong><em><strong>Dialogue with Heraclides<\/strong><\/em>, from about the year 254 A.D. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignright is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/two-humans-one-flesh-1-1024x679.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-41575\" width=\"418\" height=\"276\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/two-humans-one-flesh-1-1024x679.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/two-humans-one-flesh-1-450x298.jpg 450w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/two-humans-one-flesh-1-768x509.jpg 768w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/two-humans-one-flesh-1.jpg 1041w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 418px) 100vw, 418px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>The backstory<\/strong>, in a nutshell: somehow concerns were raised about the bishop Heraclides&#8217;s doctrine; apparently he was suspected of being some sort of &#8220;monarchian&#8221; (rejector of Logos theories). A meeting was called at his church and the famous scholar Origen was brought in to publicly examine him. Someone was there taking it all down, mostly likely one of Origen&#8217;s scribes. And this transcript was fairly recently discovered! <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Do you think that it has always been agreed mainstream Christian doctrine <strong>that the Father and the Son are the same God<\/strong>? If so, this little dialogue is going to surprise you! Also, the nature of Origen&#8217;s monotheism may surprise you.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Thanks to Leslie, Joshua, and Sean for their voice acting here.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Here is my modified Chadwick translation presented at the end of this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Narrator: <strong>Dialogue of Origen with Heraclides<\/strong> and the Bishops with him concerning the Father and the Son and the Soul. After the bishops Present had raised questions concerning the faith of the bishop Heraclides, that he might confess before all the faith which he held, and after each one had said what he thought and asked questions, Heraclides said: <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Heraclides: I also believe<\/strong> what the sacred Scriptures say: \u201cIn the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him, and without him nothing was made.\u201d <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Accordingly, we hold the same faith that is taught in these words, and we believe <strong>that Christ took flesh<\/strong>, that he was born, that he went up to heaven in the flesh in which he rose again, that he is sitting at the right hand of the Father, and that from there he shall come and judge the living and the dead, being a god and a man.&nbsp; <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Narrator:\nOrigen said:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Origen: Since once an inquiry has begun it is proper to say something upon the subject of the inquiry, I will speak. The whole church is present and listening. It is not right that there should be any difference in knowledge between one church and another, for you are not the false church. I charge you, father Heraclides: <strong>God is the almighty, the uncreated, the supreme God who made all things<\/strong>. Do you hold this doctrine? <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">H:\nI do. That is what I also believe.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">O:\nChrist Jesus who was in the form\nof God, being other than the\nGod in whose form he existed, was he a\ngod before he came into\nthe body or not?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">H:\nHe was a god before.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">O:\nWas he a god before he came into the body or not? <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">H:\nYes, he was. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>O: Was he a god distinct from this god in whose form he existed? <\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">H:\nObviously he was distinct from another being and, since he was in\nthe form of him who created all\nthings, he was distinct from\nhim. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">O: Is it true, then, that there was a god, the Son of God, the only begotten of God, the firstborn of all creation, and that we need have no fear of saying that <strong>in one sense there are two gods, while in another sense there is one god?<\/strong> <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">H:\nWhat you say is evident. But we affirm that God is the almighty, God without\nbeginning, without end, containing all things and not contained by anything; and\nthat his Word is the Son of the\nliving God, a god and a man, through\nwhom all things were made, a god\naccording to the spirit, and a man inasmuch as he was born of Mary.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">O:\nIt seems you\u2019ve not answered my question.\nExplain what you mean. For\nperhaps I failed to follow you. Is the\nFather a god? <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">H:\nAssuredly. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">O:\nIs the Son distinct from the\nFather? <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">H:\nOf course. How can he be Son if\nhe is also Father? <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">O:\nWhile being distinct from the Father, is the Son himself also a god? <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">H:\nHe himself is also a god.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">O:\nAnd do two Gods become a unity? <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">H:\nYes. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>O: Do we confess two gods? <\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>H: Yes\u2026 But the power is one. <\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">O: Since our brethren take offence at the statement that \u201cthere are two gods,\u201d we must formulate the doctrine carefully, and show <strong>in what sense they are \u201ctwo\u201d and in what sense the two are \u201cone god.\u201d <\/strong>Also the holy Scriptures have taught that several things which are two are \u201cone.\u201d And not only things which are two, for they have also taught that in some instances more than two, or even a very much larger number of things, are \u201cone.\u201d <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Our\npresent task is not to bring up\na difficult subject only to\npass it by and deal too quickly\nwith the matter, but for the sake of the simple\nfolk we will chew up, so to\nspeak, the meat, and little by\nlittle to instill the doctrine in the ears of our hearers&#8230;. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Accordingly, there are many <strong>things which are two that are said in the Scriptures to be one<\/strong>. What passages of Scripture? <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Adam is one person, his wife another. Adam is distinct from his wife, and his wife is distinct from her husband. Yet it is said in the story of the creation of the world that they two are one: \u201cFor the two shall be <strong>one flesh<\/strong>.\u201d Therefore, sometimes two beings can become one flesh. Notice, however, that in the case of Adam and Eve it is not said that the two shall become one spirit, nor that the two shall become one soul, but that they shall become one flesh. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Again, the righteous man is distinct from Christ; but he is said by the apostle to be one with Christ: \u201cFor he that is joined to the Lord is <strong>one spirit<\/strong>.\u201d Is it not true that the one is of a subordinate nature or of a low and inferior nature, while Christ&#8217;s nature is divine and glorious and blessed? Are they therefore no longer two? Yes, for the man and the woman are \u201cno longer two but one flesh,\u201d and the righteous man and Christ are \u201cone spirit.\u201d <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">So in relation to the Father and God of the universe, our Savior and Lord is not \u201cone flesh,\u201d nor \u201cone spirit,\u201d but rather something higher than \u201cflesh\u201d and \u201cspirit,\u201d namely, <strong>\u201cone god.\u201d<\/strong> The appropriate word when human beings are joined to one another is \u201cflesh.\u201d The appropriate word when a righteous man is joined to Christ is \u201cspirit.\u201d But the word when Christ is united to the Father is not flesh, nor spirit, but more honorable than these \u2014it\u2019s the word \u201cgod.\u201d That is why we understand in this sense <strong>\u201cI and the Father are one.\u201d<\/strong> <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">When\nwe pray, because of the one party let us preserve the duality, because of the other party let us hold to the unity. In this way we avoid falling\ninto the opinion of those who have been separated from the Church and turned to\nthe illusory notion of monarchy,\nwho abolish the Son as distinct\nfrom the Father and virtually\nabolish the Father also. Nor do\nwe fall into the other blasphemous doctrine which denies the deity of Christ. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">What then do the divine Scriptures mean when they say: \u201c<strong>Beside me there is no other God<\/strong>, and there shall be none after me,\u201d and \u201cI am and there is no God but me\u201d? In these utterances we are not to think that the unity applies to the God of the universe \u2026 in separation from Christ, and certainly not to Christ in separation from God. Let us rather say that the sense is the same as that of Jesus\u2019 saying, \u201cI and my Father are one.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Debate - Dr. Dale Tuggy vs. Chris Date &quot;Is Jesus Human and not Divine?&quot; (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=c35_uFjEbx8\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>Debate &#8211; Dr. Dale Tuggy vs. Chris Date &#8220;Is Jesus Human and not Divine?&#8221;<\/strong><\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"trinities podcast Facebook group (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/groups\/trinities\/\" target=\"_blank\">trinities podcast Facebook group<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"podcast 243 \u2013 Response to Branson Part 1 \u2013 The Orthodox Doctrine of the Trinity  (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-243-response-to-branson-part-1-the-orthodox-doctrine-of-the-trinity\/\" target=\"_blank\">podcast 243 \u2013 Response to Branson Part 1 \u2013 The Orthodox Doctrine of the Trinity <\/a><\/li><li>&#8220;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Origen (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/origen\/\" target=\"_blank\">Origen<\/a>&#8221; in the <em>Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy<\/em><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"The Greek text of Dialogue with Heraclides (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.dropbox.com\/s\/1n55bl2bsfaav8a\/Dialogus%20cum%20Heraclide.pdf?dl=0\" target=\"_blank\">The Greek text of <\/a><em><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"The Greek text of Dialogue with Heraclides (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.dropbox.com\/s\/1n55bl2bsfaav8a\/Dialogus%20cum%20Heraclide.pdf?dl=0\" target=\"_blank\">Dialogue with Heraclides<\/a><\/em><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Chadwick, Alexandrian Christianity (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Alexandrian-Christianity-Library-Christian-Classics\/dp\/0664241530\/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Chadwick%2C+Alexandrian+Christianity&amp;qid=1568163951&amp;s=gateway&amp;sr=8-1\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>Chadwick, <\/strong><\/a><em><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Chadwick, Alexandrian Christianity (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Alexandrian-Christianity-Library-Christian-Classics\/dp\/0664241530\/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Chadwick%2C+Alexandrian+Christianity&amp;qid=1568163951&amp;s=gateway&amp;sr=8-1\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>Alexandrian Christianity<\/strong><\/a><\/em><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Daly, Origen: Treatise on the Passover and Dialogue with Heraclides and his Fellow Bishops on the Father, the Son, and the Soul (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Treatise-Passover-Dialogue-Heraclides-Christian\/dp\/0809104520\/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Daly%2C+Origen%3A+Treatise+on+the+Passover&amp;qid=1568164008&amp;s=gateway&amp;sr=8-1\" target=\"_blank\">Daly, <\/a><em><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Daly, Origen: Treatise on the Passover and Dialogue with Heraclides and his Fellow Bishops on the Father, the Son, and the Soul (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Treatise-Passover-Dialogue-Heraclides-Christian\/dp\/0809104520\/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Daly%2C+Origen%3A+Treatise+on+the+Passover&amp;qid=1568164008&amp;s=gateway&amp;sr=8-1\" target=\"_blank\">Origen: Treatise on the Passover and Dialogue with Heraclides and his Fellow Bishops on the Father, the Son, and the Soul<\/a><\/em><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"McGuckin, The SCM Press A-Z of Origen (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/SCM-Press-Z-Origen-Scm\/dp\/0334041031\/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=SCM+Press+A-Z+Origen&amp;qid=1568163827&amp;s=gateway&amp;sr=8-1\" target=\"_blank\">McGuckin, <\/a><em><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"McGuckin, The SCM Press A-Z of Origen (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/SCM-Press-Z-Origen-Scm\/dp\/0334041031\/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=SCM+Press+A-Z+Origen&amp;qid=1568163827&amp;s=gateway&amp;sr=8-1\" target=\"_blank\">The SCM Press A-Z of Origen<\/a><\/em><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Heine, Origen: Commentary on the Gospel According to John, Books 1-10 (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Commentary-Gospel-According-Fathers-Patristic\/dp\/0813210291\/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=heine+origen+commentary+john&amp;qid=1568163560&amp;s=gateway&amp;sr=8-1\" target=\"_blank\">Heine, <\/a><em><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Heine, Origen: Commentary on the Gospel According to John, Books 1-10 (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Commentary-Gospel-According-Fathers-Patristic\/dp\/0813210291\/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=heine+origen+commentary+john&amp;qid=1568163560&amp;s=gateway&amp;sr=8-1\" target=\"_blank\">Origen: Commentary on the Gospel According to John, Books 1-10<\/a><\/em>, <em><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Books 13-32 (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Commentary-Gospel-According-Fathers-Patristic\/dp\/0813214653\/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=heine+origen+commentary+john&amp;qid=1568163603&amp;s=gateway&amp;sr=8-2\" target=\"_blank\">Books 13-32<\/a><\/em>.<\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Chadwick, Origen: Contra Celsum (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Origen-Contra-Celsum-Chadwick\/dp\/0521295769\/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=contra+celsum&amp;qid=1568163482&amp;s=gateway&amp;sr=8-2\" target=\"_blank\">Chadwick, <\/a><em><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Chadwick, Origen: Contra Celsum (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Origen-Contra-Celsum-Chadwick\/dp\/0521295769\/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=contra+celsum&amp;qid=1568163482&amp;s=gateway&amp;sr=8-2\" target=\"_blank\">Origen: Contra Celsum<\/a><\/em><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Butterworth, Origen: On First Principles (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Origen-First-Principles-Introduction-Butterworth\/dp\/0844626856\/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=butterworth+on+first+principles&amp;qid=1568163525&amp;s=gateway&amp;sr=8-2\" target=\"_blank\">Butterworth, <\/a><em><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Butterworth, Origen: On First Principles (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Origen-First-Principles-Introduction-Butterworth\/dp\/0844626856\/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=butterworth+on+first+principles&amp;qid=1568163525&amp;s=gateway&amp;sr=8-2\" target=\"_blank\">Origen: On First Principles<\/a><\/em><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"podcast 70 \u2013 The one God and his Son according to John (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-70-the-one-god-and-his-son-according-to-john\/\" target=\"_blank\">podcast 70 \u2013 The one God and his Son according to John<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"podcast 187 \u2013 Dr. Paul W. Newman\u2019s Spirit Christology \u2013 Part 1 (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-187-dr-paul-w-newmans-spirit-christology-part-1\/\" target=\"_blank\">podcast 187 \u2013 Dr. Paul W. Newman\u2019s Spirit Christology \u2013 Part 1<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"podcast 188 \u2013 Dr. Paul W. Newman\u2019s Spirit Christology \u2013 Part 2  (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-188-dr-paul-w-newmans-spirit-christology-part-2\/\" target=\"_blank\">podcast 188 \u2013 Dr. Paul W. Newman\u2019s Spirit Christology \u2013 Part 2 <\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"podcast 59 \u2013 Dr. Carl Mosser on salvation as deification  (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-59-dr-carl-mosser-on-salvation-as-deification\/\" target=\"_blank\">podcast 59 \u2013 Dr. Carl Mosser on salvation as deification <\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"podcast 60 \u2013 Dr. Carl Mosser on deification in the Bible  (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-60-dr-carl-mosser-on-deification-in-the-bible\/\" target=\"_blank\">podcast 60 \u2013 Dr. Carl Mosser on deification in the Bible <\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"posts on Origen (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?s=Origen\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>posts on Origen<\/strong><\/a><\/li><li>John 1:1-14, Philippians 2:6, John 10:30, John 10:38, John 12:45, John  14:9, Colossians 1:15, Psalm 49:1, Isaiah 43:10, Deuteronomy 32:39 <\/li><li>This week&#8217;s thinking music is &#8220;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Triptych of Snippets (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"http:\/\/ccmixter.org\/files\/septahelix\/60171\" target=\"_blank\">Triptych of Snippets<\/a>&#8221; by <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"septahelix (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"http:\/\/ccmixter.org\/people\/septahelix\" target=\"_blank\">septahelix<\/a>.<\/li><\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Origen sez: you must say that Father and Son are &#8220;one God.&#8221; But does he think they are?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":41574,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":70,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[37,15,54,88,14,33,38,9,57,3,43],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-41569","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-apologetics","category-christology","category-debates","category-eastern-orthodoxy","category-history","category-incarnation","category-monotheism","category-philosophy","category-podcast","category-theories","category-unitarianism"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/41569","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=41569"}],"version-history":[{"count":4,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/41569\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":41692,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/41569\/revisions\/41692"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/41574"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=41569"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=41569"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=41569"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}