{"id":41918,"date":"2019-11-05T22:40:14","date_gmt":"2019-11-06T04:40:14","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=41918"},"modified":"2019-11-05T22:42:47","modified_gmt":"2019-11-06T04:42:47","slug":"podcast-275-exposing-dr-heiser-to-actual-biblical-unitarian-thought","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-275-exposing-dr-heiser-to-actual-biblical-unitarian-thought\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 275 &#8211; Exposing Dr. Heiser to actual biblical unitarian thought"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_4063\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-41918-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities275.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities275.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities275.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities275.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=41918-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities275.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities275.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p>\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignleft is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/book-1936547_640.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-41922\" width=\"412\" height=\"232\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/book-1936547_640.jpg 640w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/book-1936547_640-450x254.jpg 450w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 412px) 100vw, 412px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In episode 292 of his <strong>Naked Bible podcast<\/strong>, Dr. Michael Heiser was asked about how biblical unitarian Christians understand Old Testament texts involving &#8220;the angel of the LORD&#8221; and <strong>&#8220;the word of the LORD.&#8221; <\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">He took the opportunity to dump on biblical unitarianism as rationalistic, dishonest, pitifully uninformed, self-inconsistent, not &#8220;biblical&#8221; in any meaningful sense, and simply inconsistent with the obvious meaning of several Old Testament texts, in <strong>Genesis 48, 1 Samuel 3, and Jeremiah 1<\/strong>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>In this episode I respond<\/strong>, exposing Dr. Heiser to how actual (as opposed to imagined) unitarian Christians approach scripture and theology. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignright is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/I-pity-the-fool.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-41920\" width=\"321\" height=\"323\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/I-pity-the-fool.jpeg 400w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/I-pity-the-fool-150x150.jpeg 150w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 321px) 100vw, 321px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Naked Bible 292: Q&amp;A 35 (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/nakedbiblepodcast.com\/podcast\/naked-bible-292-qa-35\/\" target=\"_blank\">Naked Bible 292: Q&amp;A 35<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"podcast 97 \u2013 Dr. Michael Heiser on The Unseen Realm (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-97-dr-michael-heiser-on-the-unseen-realm\/\" target=\"_blank\">podcast 97 \u2013 Dr. Michael Heiser on The Unseen Realm<\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-98-dr-michael-heiser-on-old-testament-binitarianism\/\">podcast 98 \u2013 Dr. Michael Heiser on Old Testament binitarianism<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Benjamin Sommer on God\u2019s Bodies (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.thinkingaboutreligion.org\/s1-e9-benjamin-sommer-on-gods-bodies\/\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>Benjamin Sommer on God\u2019s Bodies<\/strong><\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"If Modalism about the Son were true, then\u2026 (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/if-modalism-about-the-son-were-true-then\/\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>If Modalism about the Son were true, then\u2026<\/strong><\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"podcast 167 \u2013 Lamson\u2019s History of The Unitarian Congregationalists ? (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-167-lamsons-history-of-the-unitarian-congregationalists\/\" target=\"_blank\">podcast 167 \u2013 Lamson\u2019s History of The Unitarian Congregationalists <\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"podcast 25 \u2013 Pastor Sean Finnegan on \u201cthe Holy Spirit\u201d \u2013 Part 1 ? (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-25-pastor-sean-finnegan-about-the-holy-spirit-part-1\/\" target=\"_blank\">podcast 25 \u2013 Pastor Sean Finnegan on \u201cthe Holy Spirit\u201d \u2013 Part 1 <\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"podcast 26 \u2013 Pastor Sean Finnegan on \u201cthe Holy Spirit\u201d \u2013 Part 2 ? (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-26-pastor-sean-finnegan-on-the-holy-spirit-part-2\/\" target=\"_blank\">podcast 26 \u2013 Pastor Sean Finnegan on \u201cthe Holy Spirit\u201d \u2013 Part 2 <\/a><\/li><li>Jeremiah 1:4-19; 1 Samuel 3; Genesis 48:15-16; Mark 1; Philippians 2; Isaiah 7:10-17. <\/li><li><strong>On the fulfillment fallacy:<\/strong> <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"the Bible teaches that David is God (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/the-bible-teaches-that-david-is-god\/(opens in a new tab)\" target=\"_blank\">the Bible teaches that David is God<\/a>, <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"the Bible on another previous life of Jesus (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/the-bible-on-another-previous-life-of-jesus\/\" target=\"_blank\">the Bible on another previous life of Jesus<\/a>, <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Worship of Jesus, Worship of God, and the Fulfillment Fallacy (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/worship-of-jesus-worship-of-god-and-the-fulfillment-fallacy\/\" target=\"_blank\">Worship of Jesus, Worship of God, and the Fulfillment Fallacy<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"podcast 164 \u2013 On Counting Gods? (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-164-on-counting-gods\/\" target=\"_blank\">podcast 164 \u2013 On Counting Gods<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Differences Between God &amp; Jesus @ biblicalunitarian.com (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.biblicalunitarian.com\/articles\/differences-between-god-jesus\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>Differences Between God &amp; Jesus @ biblicalunitarian.com<\/strong><\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"podcast 124 \u2013 a challenge to \u201cJesus is God\u201d apologists (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-124-a-challenge-to-jesus-is-god-apologists\/\" target=\"_blank\">podcast 124 \u2013 a challenge to \u201cJesus is God\u201d apologists<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"podcast 232 \u2013 Trinity Club Orientation? (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-232-trinity-club-orientation\/\" target=\"_blank\">podcast 232 \u2013 Trinity Club Orientation<\/a><\/li><li>&#8220;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Trinity (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/trinity\/\" target=\"_blank\">Trinity<\/a>&#8221; in The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy<\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Mark: Jesus is God\u2019s Son, the Messiah? (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/mark-jesus-is-gods-son-the-messiah\/\" target=\"_blank\">Mark: Jesus is God\u2019s Son, the Messiah<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/losing-patience-with-the-hint-hunters\/\" target=\"_blank\">losing patience with the hint-hunters<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/a-reading-of-philippians-25-11\/\">a reading of Philippians 2:5-11<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"podcast 189 \u2013 The unfinished business of the Reformation? (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-189-the-unfinished-business-of-the-reformation\/\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>podcast 189 \u2013 The unfinished business of the Reformation<\/strong><\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"podcast 248 \u2013 How Trinity theories conflict with the Bible? (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-248-how-trinity-theories-conflict-with-the-bible\/\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>podcast 248 \u2013 How Trinity theories conflict with the Bible<\/strong><\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"the evolution of my views on the Trinity? (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?s=the+evolution+of+my+views+on+the+Trinity\" target=\"_blank\">the evolution of my views on the Trinity<\/a><\/li><li><strong>Some books by biblical unitarians<\/strong>: <em><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"One God &amp; One Lord (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/One-God-Lord-Reconsidering-Cornerstone-ebook\/dp\/B004FGLS0G\/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=one+god+and+one+lord&amp;qid=1573009063&amp;sr=8-1\" target=\"_blank\">One God &amp; One Lord<\/a><\/em>, <em><a href=\"http:\/\/The God of Jesus in Light of Christian Dogma\">The God of Jesus<\/a><\/em>, <em><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Jesus was not a Trinitarian (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Jesus-Was-Trinitarian-Anthony-Buzzard-ebook\/dp\/B007USU6BS\/ref=sr_1_1?crid=9BGABAMAD3WW&amp;keywords=jesus+was+not+a+trinitarian&amp;qid=1573009166&amp;sprefix=jesus+was+not+%2Caps%2C171&amp;sr=8-1\" target=\"_blank\">Jesus was not a Trinitarian<\/a><\/em>, <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"What is the Trinity? (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.what-is-the-trinity.com\/\" target=\"_blank\"><em>What is the Trinity?<\/em><\/a> <\/li><li>David Capes, <em><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"The Divine Christ (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Divine-Christ-Scriptures-Studies-Theology\/dp\/080109786X\" target=\"_blank\">The Divine Christ<\/a><\/em><\/li><li>This week&#8217;s thinking music is &#8220;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"The Simple Complex (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.freemusicarchive.org\/music\/UncleBibby\/Free_Music_Project_Vol_1\/The_Simple_Complex\" target=\"_blank\">The Simple Complex<\/a>&#8221; by <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\" (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.freemusicarchive.org\/music\/UncleBibby\/\" target=\"_blank\">UncleBibby<\/a><\/li><\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Do Genesis 48, 1 Samuel 3, and Jeremiah 1 refute biblical unitarian views on God and Jesus?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":41922,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"default","neve_meta_container":"default","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"off","neve_meta_content_width":70,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"off","neve_meta_disable_footer":"off","neve_meta_disable_title":"off","footnotes":""},"categories":[37,21,15,6,14,55,38,57,77,3,43],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-41918","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-apologetics","category-bible","category-christology","category-complaints","category-history","category-holy-spirit","category-monotheism","category-podcast","category-protestant","category-theories","category-unitarianism"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/41918","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=41918"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/41918\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":41953,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/41918\/revisions\/41953"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/41922"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=41918"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=41918"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=41918"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}