{"id":42,"date":"2019-10-22T04:14:35","date_gmt":"2019-10-22T09:14:35","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/archives\/42"},"modified":"2019-10-21T22:26:55","modified_gmt":"2019-10-22T03:26:55","slug":"if-modalism-about-the-son-were-true-then","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/if-modalism-about-the-son-were-true-then\/","title":{"rendered":"If Modalism about the Son were true, then&#8230;"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I&#8217;ve been harping on modalism about the Son (thinking of the Son as a way God is) for a long time, even giving what I think is a<a title=\"an argument against Son-modalism\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/an-argument-against-son-modalism\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"> convincing argument against it<\/a>. Still, what if it <em>is<\/em> false? Why do I care? <strong>Why do I think it matters?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Son-modalism has <strong>a couple of very unacceptable consequences. If Son-modalism is true, then:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>1. The New Testament writers are either incompetent metaphor users, or they&#8217;re just mistaken about Jesus and God.<\/strong> Jesus is described in the New Testament as a &#8220;priest&#8221; and as the &#8220;Son of God&#8221;. Those metaphors would be inappropriate if Jesus were a mode of God. Again, the Son is supposed to me a &#8220;mediator&#8221; between God and the rest of us. But if a mode of God is the &#8220;mediator,&#8221; it would have turned out that God has a friendly, approachable side &#8211; no mediation required! So if Son-modalism is true, the New Testament writers who use that metaphor are either ill-informed or are incompetent metaphor users. I resist both conclusions. Why? Because the authors of the New Testament were all, directly or indirectly, taught by Jesus, and I hold that Jesus was a competent teacher.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>2.<\/strong> If Jesus is a mode of God, then he is not a human. Every human is a substance\/entity\/individual thing, and no substance in this sense is a mode of any other substance, so no mode of anything is a human. <strong>Ergo, if Son-modalism is true, Jesus isn&#8217;t a human being.<\/strong> This is inconsistent with the New Testament, as well as with other things that Christians want to say about Jesus. Yes, I know &#8211; &#8220;two natures.&#8221; If only such speculations left us with a clearly human Jesus!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignright is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/jesus-enthroned-680x1024.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-41851\" width=\"340\" height=\"512\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/jesus-enthroned-680x1024.jpg 680w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/jesus-enthroned-299x450.jpg 299w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/jesus-enthroned-768x1157.jpg 768w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/jesus-enthroned.jpg 1359w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 340px) 100vw, 340px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>3. Jesus can&#8217;t be a mediator<\/strong> between God and us if he&#8217;s just God being or acting or appearing in a certain way. A mediator can&#8217;t be either party which he&#8217;s mediating. And human beings feel that we need such a mediator &#8211; the holiness and glory of God demand it. How about Mary? Or maybe, a priest? Maybe a patron saint? So much for the Pauline vision of Christians accessing God through Christ, a kingdom filled with &#8220;priests&#8221; with no need of other, merely human intermediaries. <strong>I suggest that Son-modalism was a big factor in the development of the cult of Mary<\/strong>, the manifold forms of saint-worship (honoring &#8211; whatever), and the strongly bishop- and later priest-oriented direction that catholic Christianity took. You can even see this in medieval and modern art &#8211; Jesus is portrayed as God himself in images like this. Emperor-like, he reigns with no one above him. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Conversely, if you believe that Jesus is your &#8220;advocate&#8221; with the Father, then <em>all<\/em> these other suggested intermediaries are superfluous. But this requires Son-modalism to be false.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">4. Again, if he is a mode of God, <strong>Jesus can&#8217;t realistically be a model for us to imitate<\/strong>. We can&#8217;t imagine ourselves into the place of an essentially all-knowing, all-powerful, and untemptable being. We&#8217;re humans, and we need a genuinely human example to imitate. Faced with a Jesus who is basically God in disguise, we&#8217;ll go looking for other <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-146-jesus-exemplar-faith-new-testament\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"examples of faith (opens in a new tab)\">examples of faith<\/a>, hope, and love, and many will be far inferior to the Lord Jesus himself. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignleft is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/baby-facepalm.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-41852\" width=\"376\" height=\"289\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/baby-facepalm.jpg 751w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/baby-facepalm-450x346.jpg 450w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 376px) 100vw, 376px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>How do you know if someone is a Son modalist?<\/strong> In a church context, the main way is this &#8211; they throw around the terms &#8220;Father,&#8221; &#8220;God,&#8221; &#8220;Jesus&#8221; with no discernible rhyme or reason. They may start a prayer with &#8220;Father,&#8221; address the object of prayer two sentences later as &#8220;Jesus,&#8221; then end with &#8220;in your name,&#8221; leaving unclear which is meant. If those three terms refer to one and the same thing, then there&#8217;s no point in being picky about how they&#8217;re used. The modalist or one-self Trinity theorist thinks there is but one self (agent, intelligent being) between the Father and the Son. Even if &#8220;Father&#8221; and &#8220;Son&#8221; refer to different modes (ways God is), they both equally refer to God (via his various modes). That&#8217;s what a modalist thinks. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">But they should think again!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A claim which implies falsehoods is itself false. 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