{"id":42125,"date":"2020-01-27T16:10:02","date_gmt":"2020-01-27T22:10:02","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=42125"},"modified":"2020-01-27T16:24:25","modified_gmt":"2020-01-27T22:24:25","slug":"podcast-283-does-the-bible-teach-that-god-is-a-trinity-cole-tuggy-dialogue-part-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-283-does-the-bible-teach-that-god-is-a-trinity-cole-tuggy-dialogue-part-2\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 283 \u2013 Does the Bible Teach that God is a Trinity? Cole-Tuggy Dialogue \u2013 Part 2"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_3068\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-42125-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities283.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities283.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities283.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities283.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=42125-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities283.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities283.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In the second half of our dialogue we start by discussing John 17:1-3. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>After Jesus had spoken these words, he looked up to heaven and said, \u201c<strong>Father<\/strong>,  the hour has come; glorify your Son so that the Son may glorify you,  since you have given him authority over all people, to give eternal life to all whom you have given him. And this is eternal life, that they may know <strong>you, the only true God<\/strong>, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.&#8221;  <\/p><cite>John 17:1-3, NRSV<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignright size-large is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/second-episode-image-1024x506.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-42127\" width=\"627\" height=\"309\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/second-episode-image-1024x506.png 1024w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/second-episode-image-450x222.png 450w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/second-episode-image-768x379.png 768w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/second-episode-image.png 1427w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 627px) 100vw, 627px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I argue that this passage straightforwardly supports <strong>my position<\/strong>, that in the New Testament the Father is the one true God, not the Trinity. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">We then give our <strong>closing summations<\/strong> of our respective cases, and our host Marlon Wilson has us answer <strong>some questions from the online audience<\/strong>, which relate to many passages. (Most of the passages mentioned and discussed are listed below.)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>What did <em>you <\/em>learn through listening through this dialogue? <\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And in your view, which side made the stronger case, and why?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>John 17:1-3, John 8:58; John 4:25-26; Revelation 4:1-11; Revelation 5:1-14; Philippians 2:9-11; Psalm 110:1; Matthew 21:5-7; Mark 11:7; Hebrews 1:3; Hebrews 1:8-9; Psalm 45:6-7; Rev 3:12; John 20:17; John 20:28; Colossians 2:9; Colossians 1:15-17; Deuteronomy 6:4; 1 Corinthians 8:4-6; Ephesians 4:4-6; John 8:40; 1 Corinthians 15:28; Daniel 7:9-14; Revelation 4:5; John 6:57; Romans 5:10; John 1:14;  1 John 5:7; Colossians 1:15-17; Revelation 21:1-7; Revelation 1:8; Revelation 21:6; Revelation 22:13; Romans 5:1-21.<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/channel\/UC-DJyBJlGeHvXfUXAojqL7w\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>Marlon Wilson\u2019s The Gospel Truth show<\/strong><\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=rgJO8v2nIVQ\" target=\"_blank\">The Gospel Truth episode 64: Does the Bible teach that God is a Trinity?<\/a><\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignright size-large is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/a-fourth-image-1024x574.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-42128\" width=\"471\" height=\"264\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/a-fourth-image-1024x574.png 1024w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/a-fourth-image-450x252.png 450w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/a-fourth-image-768x431.png 768w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/a-fourth-image.png 1284w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 471px) 100vw, 471px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.seancole.net\/\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>Dr. Sean Cole homepage<\/strong><\/a>, his <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.seancole.net\/audio-podcast\" target=\"_blank\">podcast \u201cUnderstanding Christianity\u201d<\/a><\/li><li><em><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.what-is-the-trinity.com\/\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>What is the Trinity?<\/strong><\/a><\/em><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"God and his Son: the Logic of the New Testament (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/god-and-his-son-the-logic-of-the-new-testament\/\" target=\"_blank\">God and his Son: the Logic of the New Testament<\/a><\/li><li> <a 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(opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-145-tis-mystery-immortal-dies\/\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>podcast 145 \u2013 \u2018Tis Mystery All: the Immortal dies!<\/strong><\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"podcast 97 \u2013 Dr. Michael Heiser on The Unseen Realm (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-97-dr-michael-heiser-on-the-unseen-realm\/\" target=\"_blank\">podcast 97 \u2013 Dr. Michael Heiser on The Unseen Realm<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"podcast 253 \u2013 The Apostle Paul a Unitarian (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-253-the-apostle-paul-a-unitarian\/\" target=\"_blank\">podcast 253 \u2013 The Apostle Paul a Unitarian<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"podcast 263 \u2013 Tuggy vs. Date debate \u2013 Jesus is human and not divine \u2013 Part 1 (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-263-tuggy-vs-date-debate-jesus-is-human-and-not-divine-part-1\/\" target=\"_blank\">podcast 263 \u2013 Tuggy vs. Date debate \u2013 Jesus is human and not divine \u2013 Part 1<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Clarifying Catholic Christologies (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=s6wK-lRZP-k\" target=\"_blank\">Clarifying Catholic Christologies<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"podcast 126 \u2013 What is an evangelical? 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