{"id":42162,"date":"2020-02-03T21:54:13","date_gmt":"2020-02-04T03:54:13","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=42162"},"modified":"2020-02-03T21:54:17","modified_gmt":"2020-02-04T03:54:17","slug":"podcast-284-does-the-bible-teach-that-god-is-a-trinity-cole-tuggy-dialogue-part-3","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-284-does-the-bible-teach-that-god-is-a-trinity-cole-tuggy-dialogue-part-3\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 284 \u2013 Does the Bible Teach that God is a Trinity? Cole-Tuggy Dialogue \u2013 Part 3"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_6941\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-42162-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities284.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities284.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities284.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities284.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=42162-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities284.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities284.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p>\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignright size-large is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/understanding-christianity.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-42163\" width=\"361\" height=\"361\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/understanding-christianity.jpg 512w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/understanding-christianity-450x450.jpg 450w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/understanding-christianity-150x150.jpg 150w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 361px) 100vw, 361px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">After our December 2019 dialogue Dr. Cole followed up on his <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Understanding Christianity (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.seancole.net\/audio-podcast\" target=\"_blank\">Understanding Christianity<\/a> podcast, mounting <strong>some new arguments that according to the New Testament God is the Trinity<\/strong>. In this episode I start to evaluate these arguments. Pastor Cole particularly focuses on this famous text:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>&#8220;Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, <strong>baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit<\/strong>&#8230;&#8221;<\/p><cite>Matthew 29:19, ESV<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">According to a famous 19th century unitarian Christian scholar, a better translation would be:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>&#8220;Go ye, therefore, and make disciples of al nations; baptizing them to the Father, and to the Son, and to the holy spirit.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I discuss why he thinks this, and what I make of this passage, and of Dr. Cole&#8217;s claim that it teaches the one God to be the Trinity.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Then pastor Cole argues from the Gospel according to John. He doubles down on some of his claims about ch. 1, and also mounts an argument from<strong> the &#8220;I am&#8221; sayings<\/strong> of Jesus in that book. Is Jesus here claiming to be God himself by applying God&#8217;s own name to himself?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">He also argues that<strong> John 1:18<\/strong> teaches that &#8220;Jesus is God.&#8221; I explain why I think this is mistaken, as is Dr. Cole&#8217;s claim that John 20 teaches that Jesus is the one God.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Next week I&#8217;ll evaluate his arguments based on the writings of Paul.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignleft size-large is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Acts_of_the_Apostles_Chapter_2-11.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-42164\" width=\"424\" height=\"312\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Acts_of_the_Apostles_Chapter_2-11.jpg 717w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Acts_of_the_Apostles_Chapter_2-11-450x331.jpg 450w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 424px) 100vw, 424px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>Isaiah 42:8; Exodus 3:14; Matthew 29:18-20; Genesis 48:16; Ruth 1:2; Exodus 23:13; Deuteronomy 18:20; 1 Samuel 7:9; 1 Chronicles 17:8; Luke 6:22; John 17:13; 1 Corinthians 8:4-6; Ephesians 4:4-6; John 1:1; John 1:14; John 1:18; Colossians 2:9; John 10:38; John 14:10-12; Hebrews 1:3; John 8:40; Exodus 3:14; John 14:6; John 8:12; John 9:5; John 20:31; John 6:32-35; John 9:8-9; John 4:25-26; John 8:58; John 15:1; John 15:5; John 10:27-30; John 10:30; 1 Corinthians 3:5-8; John 5:19; John 20:28; John 20:17; John 20:31; Hebrews 1:8-9; John 8:54.<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-283-does-the-bible-teach-that-god-is-a-trinity-cole-tuggy-dialogue-part-2\/\">podcast 283 \u2013 Does the Bible Teach that God is a Trinity? Cole-Tuggy Dialogue \u2013 Part 2<\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-282-does-the-bible-teach-that-god-is-a-trinity-cole-tuggy-dialogue-part-1\/\">podcast 282 \u2013 Does the Bible Teach that God is a Trinity? Cole-Tuggy Dialogue \u2013 Part 1<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.seancole.net\/\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>Dr. Sean Cole homepage<\/strong><\/a>, his <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.seancole.net\/audio-podcast\" target=\"_blank\">podcast \u201cUnderstanding Christianity\u201d<\/a><\/li><li><em><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.what-is-the-trinity.com\/\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>What is the Trinity?<\/strong><\/a><\/em><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"The Lost Early History of Unitarian Christian Theology (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/the-lost-early-history-of-unitarian-christian-theology\/\" target=\"_blank\">The Lost Early History of Unitarian Christian Theology<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"podcast 124 \u2013 a challenge to \u201cJesus is God\u201d apologists (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-124-a-challenge-to-jesus-is-god-apologists\/\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>podcast 124 \u2013 a challenge to \u201cJesus is God\u201d apologists<\/strong><\/a><\/li><li>in <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"The Journal for Trinitarian Studies and Apologetics (Volume 1) (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Journal-Trinitarian-Studies-Apologetics\/dp\/1479178276\" target=\"_blank\">The Journal for Trinitarian Studies and Apologetics (Volume 1)<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Debate - Dr. Dale Tuggy vs. Chris Date &quot;Is Jesus Human and not Divine?&quot; (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=c35_uFjEbx8\" target=\"_blank\">Debate &#8211; Dr. Dale Tuggy vs. Chris Date &#8220;Is Jesus Human and not Divine?&#8221;<\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-108-dr-robert-m-bowman-jr-on-triadic-new-testament-passages-part-2\/\">podcast 108 \u2013 Dr. Robert M. Bowman Jr. on triadic New Testament passages \u2013 part 2<\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-107-dr-robert-m-bowman-jr-on-triadic-new-testament-passages-part-1\/\">podcast 107 \u2013 Dr. Robert M. Bowman Jr. on triadic New Testament passages \u2013 part 1<\/a><\/li><li>Norton, <em><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"A Statement of Reasons for not Believing the Doctrines of Trinitarians concerning the Nature of God and the Person of Chris (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/books.google.com\/books?id=e0fr0PXtkXYC&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;dq=andrews+norton+reasons+for+believing&amp;hl=en&amp;newbks=1&amp;newbks_redir=0&amp;sa=X&amp;ved=2ahUKEwiw-LGG-LbnAhWBhOAKHbZLBZsQ6AEwAnoECAMQAg#v=onepage&amp;q=andrews%20norton%20reasons%20for%20believing&amp;f=false\" target=\"_blank\">A Statement of Reasons for not Believing the Doctrines of Trinitarians concerning the Nature of God and the Person of Chris<\/a><\/em>t, 3rd. ed.<\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"&quot;radiance&quot; (Greek:  apaugasma) (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.biblestudytools.com\/lexicons\/greek\/nas\/apaugasma.html#Legend\" target=\"_blank\">&#8220;radiance&#8221; in Hebrews 1:3 (Greek:  <em>apaugasma<\/em>)<\/a><\/li><li><em><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Ridderbos, The Gospel of John: A Theological Commentary (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Gospel-John-Theological-Commentary\/dp\/0802804535\/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Ridderbos%2C+The+Gospel+of+John%3A+A+Theological+Commentary&amp;qid=1580786646&amp;s=books&amp;sr=1-1\" target=\"_blank\">Ridderbos, The Gospel of John: A Theological Commentary<\/a><\/em><\/li><li>Mullins, &#8220;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"The Doctrine of Divine Simplicity (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/theopolisinstitute.com\/conversations\/the-doctrine-of-divine-simplicity\/\" target=\"_blank\">The Doctrine of Divine Simplicity<\/a>&#8220;<\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"podcast 63 \u2013 Thomas Belsham and other scholars on John 8:58 (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-63-thomas-belsham-and-other-scholars-on-john-858\/\" target=\"_blank\">podcast 63 \u2013 Thomas Belsham and other scholars on John 8:58<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Biblical Words for God and for his Son Part 1 - God and \u201cGod\u201d in the Bible (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=LvNyOJBDlwU&amp;list=ULJZNhbxxE2zw&amp;index=403\" target=\"_blank\">Biblical Words for God and for his Son Part 1 &#8211; God and \u201cGod\u201d in the Bible<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Jesus\u2019s argument in John 10 (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/jesuss-argument-in-john-10\/\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>Jesus\u2019s argument in John 10<\/strong><\/a><\/li><li>This week&#8217;s thinking music is &#8220;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Street Dancing (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Timecrawler_82\/Osaka_Lights\/Street_Dancing\" target=\"_blank\">Street Dancing<\/a>&#8221; by <a href=\"https:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Timecrawler_82\/\">Timecrawler 82<\/a>.<\/li><\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Does the famous &#8220;Great Commission&#8221; passage at the end of Matthew teach that the one God is a Trinity?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":42163,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"off","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[21,16,15,54,14,55,33,20,57,77,13,3,43,53],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-42162","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-bible","category-books","category-christology","category-debates","category-history","category-holy-spirit","category-incarnation","category-mystery","category-podcast","category-protestant","category-theologians","category-theories","category-unitarianism","category-worship"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/42162","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=42162"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/42162\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":42173,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/42162\/revisions\/42173"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/42163"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=42162"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=42162"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=42162"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}