{"id":42189,"date":"2020-02-17T16:55:35","date_gmt":"2020-02-17T22:55:35","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=42189"},"modified":"2020-02-17T16:55:38","modified_gmt":"2020-02-17T22:55:38","slug":"podcast-286-is-the-trinity-essential-three-views","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-286-is-the-trinity-essential-three-views\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 286 &#8211; Is the Trinity Essential? &#8211; Three Views"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_5731\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-42189-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities286.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities286.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities286.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities286.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=42189-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities286.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities286.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p>\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignleft size-large is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2-of-the-three-sides.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-42192\" width=\"382\" height=\"187\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2-of-the-three-sides.png 551w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2-of-the-three-sides-450x221.png 450w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 382px) 100vw, 382px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In this episode I interact with <strong>a short video by Dr. William Lane Craig<\/strong>, and with a <strong>critique of it by Dr. James White<\/strong>. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">You&#8217;ll learn what they have in common as apologists, as well as what separates them. You&#8217;ll hear Dr. White distinguish between two things which might be meant by calling the Trinity &#8220;essential.&#8221; <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>I explain why in my view &#8220;the Trinity&#8221; <em>isn&#8217;t<\/em> essential in either sense.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I also explain <strong>why White&#8217;s work is perennially popular<\/strong> with the laity, and also why scholars investigating the meaning and justification for &#8220;the Trinity&#8221; always ignore it. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Who do <em>you <\/em>most agree with<\/strong> on this topic: Dr. Craig, Dr. White, or me?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Links for this episode: <\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignright size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"301\" height=\"300\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Extreme-III_Sides_to_Every_Story.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-42193\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Extreme-III_Sides_to_Every_Story.jpg 301w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Extreme-III_Sides_to_Every_Story-150x150.jpg 150w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 301px) 100vw, 301px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>Daniel 7:13-14, Psalm 110:1; Revelation 5:1-14; Philippians 2:9-11 <\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Is the Trinity Essential? And Much More (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=qtYnEr_EJOw\" target=\"_blank\">Is the Trinity Essential? And Much More<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Is the Doctrine of the Trinity Essential? (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=wWvgdHXgqm8\" target=\"_blank\">Is the Doctrine of the Trinity Essential?<\/a><\/li><li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-265-what-apologists-dont-understand-about-the-terms-being-and-person\/\">podcast 265 \u2013 What apologists don\u2019t understand about the terms \u201cbeing\u201d and \u201cPerson\u201d<\/a> <\/strong><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/brown-vs-white-on-the-trinity\/\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>Brown vs. White on the Trinity<\/strong><\/a> <\/li><li><strong>Some overviews of the clashing Trinity theories: <em><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Stanford (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/trinity\/\" target=\"_blank\">Stanford<\/a><\/em>, <em><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Internet (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.iep.utm.edu\/trinity\/\" target=\"_blank\">Internet<\/a><\/em>, <em><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Routledge (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"http:\/\/faculty.wwu.edu\/~howardd\/Trinity.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">Routledge<\/a><\/em>.<\/strong><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"What is essential to the gospel, according to Luke? Part 1 (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/what-is-essential-to-the-gospel-according-to-luke-part-1\/\" target=\"_blank\">What is essential to the gospel, according to Luke? Part 1<\/a><\/li><li> <em><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.what-is-the-trinity.com\/\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>What is the Trinity?<\/strong><\/a><\/em> <\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"How Trinity theories conflict with the New Testament (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/how-trinity-theories-conflict-with-the-new-testament\/\" target=\"_blank\">How Trinity theories conflict with the New Testament<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"podcast 248 \u2013 How Trinity theories conflict with the Bible (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-248-how-trinity-theories-conflict-with-the-bible\/\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>podcast 248 \u2013 How Trinity theories conflict with the Bible<\/strong><\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"podcast 257 \u2013 A letter from the Lord Jesus: About God and Me (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-257-a-letter-from-the-lord-jesus-about-god-and-me\/\" target=\"_blank\">podcast 257 \u2013 A letter from the Lord Jesus: About God and Me<\/a><\/li><li><strong><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"podcast 227 \u2013 Who Should Christians Worship? (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-227-who-should-christians-worship\/\" target=\"_blank\">podcast 227 \u2013 Who Should Christians Worship?<\/a><\/strong><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Larry Hurtado on early Christians\u2019 worship of Jesus (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/larry-hurtado-on-early-christians-worship-of-jesus\/\" target=\"_blank\">Larry Hurtado on early Christians\u2019 worship of Jesus<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Hurtado on the early worship of Jesus (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/hurtado-on-the-worship-of-jesus\/\" target=\"_blank\">Hurtado on the early worship of Jesus<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"The Lost Early History of Unitarian Christian Theology (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/the-lost-early-history-of-unitarian-christian-theology\/\" target=\"_blank\">The Lost Early History of Unitarian Christian Theology<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Tuggy vs. Date debate (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.21stcr.org\/one-god-over-all-videos\/debate-dr-dale-tuggy-vs-chris-date\/\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>Tuggy vs. Date debate<\/strong><\/a><\/li><li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-260-how-to-argue-that-the-bible-is-trinitarian\/\">podcast 260 \u2013 How to Argue that the Bible is Trinitarian<\/a> <\/strong><\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-53-john-lockes-the-reasonableness-of-christianity-part-2\/\">podcast 53 \u2013 John Locke\u2019s The Reasonableness of Christianity, Part 2<\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-52-john-lockes-the-reasonableness-of-christianity-part-1\/\">podcast 52 \u2013 John Locke\u2019s The Reasonableness of Christianity, Part 1<\/a><\/li><li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-85-heretic-four-approaches-to-dropping-h-bombs\/\">podcast 85 \u2013 Heretic! Four Approaches to Dropping H-Bombs<\/a> <\/strong><\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-26-pastor-sean-finnegan-on-the-holy-spirit-part-2\/\">podcast 26 \u2013 Pastor Sean Finnegan on \u201cthe Holy Spirit\u201d \u2013 Part 2<\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-25-pastor-sean-finnegan-about-the-holy-spirit-part-1\/\">podcast 25 \u2013 Pastor Sean Finnegan on \u201cthe Holy Spirit\u201d \u2013 Part 1<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-124-a-challenge-to-jesus-is-god-apologists\/\" target=\"_blank\">podcast 124 \u2013 a challenge to \u201cJesus is God\u201d apologists<\/a> <\/li><li>This week&#8217;s thinking music is &#8220;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Great Expectations (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Kai_Engel\/Satin_1564\/Kai_Engel_-_Satin_-_05_Great_Expectations_1199\" target=\"_blank\">Great Expectations<\/a>&#8221; by <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Kai Engel (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Kai_Engel\" target=\"_blank\">Kai Engel<\/a>.<\/li><\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Is &#8220;the doctrine of the Trinity&#8221; essential to salvation? 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