{"id":42212,"date":"2020-03-02T18:28:14","date_gmt":"2020-03-03T00:28:14","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=42212"},"modified":"2020-03-02T18:28:18","modified_gmt":"2020-03-03T00:28:18","slug":"podcast-287-dr-andrew-perry-on-john-1","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-287-dr-andrew-perry-on-john-1\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 287 &#8211; Dr. Andrew Perry on John 1"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_7162\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-42212-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities287.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities287.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities287.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities287.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=42212-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities287.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities287.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p>\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignleft size-large is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Piero_battesimo_di_cristo_04-812x1024.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-42215\" width=\"354\" height=\"446\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Piero_battesimo_di_cristo_04-812x1024.jpg 812w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Piero_battesimo_di_cristo_04-357x450.jpg 357w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Piero_battesimo_di_cristo_04-768x968.jpg 768w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Piero_battesimo_di_cristo_04-1218x1536.jpg 1218w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Piero_battesimo_di_cristo_04.jpg 1247w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 354px) 100vw, 354px\" \/><figcaption>The Baptism of Christ<\/figcaption><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>This is the first in a series<\/strong> of podcasts dealing with how to interpret John 1:1-18. This famous Prologue to John&#8217;s gospel is unique in the New Testament. It is <strong>routinely read in light of Nicene-controvery-era concerns<\/strong>: the eternality and full deity of Christ, a multi-personal God, the pre-human Jesus as &#8220;involved in&#8221; the Genesis creation, the &#8220;incarnation&#8221; of the eternal Logos, wherein a divine nature gains a &#8220;complete human nature, rational soul and body.&#8221; Part of the interest of this passage stems from the fact that such things are <em>not <\/em>clearly taught in most of the rest of the New Testament; hence, this passage is viewed as <strong>a gold mine for<\/strong> trinitarian and &#8220;high christology&#8221; purposes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">But according to my guest in this new interview, Christadelphian independent scholar<strong> Dr. Andrew Perry<\/strong>, common interpretations of this passage are off track. In his view, yes, <strong>&#8220;the Word&#8221;<\/strong> is Jesus, but it is <em>the ma<\/em>n Jesus, not an alleged pre-human Son. And <strong>&#8220;the beginning&#8221;<\/strong> mentioned is the beginning of Jesus&#8217;s earthly ministry, not the time of the Genesis creation, although the author <em>does <\/em>clearly allude to the Genesis creation. In Dr. Perry&#8217;s view, Jesus is <strong>the second &#8220;God&#8221;<\/strong> mentioned in John 1:1, but here and in John 20:28 Jesus should be understand as the &#8220;God&#8221; over the <em>new <\/em>creation which God accomplished through him. (James 1:18)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Some have referred to this general type of interpretation of John 1 as <strong>&#8220;Socinian,&#8221;<\/strong> as those early modern unitarian Christians did develop and defend such interpretations. But as you&#8217;ll hear, Dr. Perry has his own take on several elements of this famous text. Among other things, he holds that there&#8217;s <strong>a reference to Jesus&#8217;s baptism<\/strong> here, as well as typological references to the Old Testament &#8220;Word of Yahweh&#8221; and to Abraham&#8217;s son <strong>Isaac<\/strong>. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Are you convinced that Dr. Perry has drawn out the author&#8217;s meaning?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.  He was in the beginning with God.  All things came into being through him, and without him not one thing came into being. What has come into being  in him was life, and the life was the light of all people.  The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not overcome it.<\/p><p>There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.  He came as a witness to testify to the light, so that all might believe through him.  He himself was not the light, but he came to testify to the light.  The true light, which enlightens everyone, was coming into the world.<\/p><p>He was in the world, and the world came into being through him; yet the world did not know him.  He came to what was his own, and his own people did not accept him.  But to all who received him, who believed in his name, he gave power to become children of God,  who were born, not of blood or of the will of the flesh or of the will of man, but of God.<\/p><p>And the Word became flesh and lived among us, and we have seen his glory, the glory as of a father\u2019s only son, full of grace and truth.  (John  testified to him and cried out, \u201cThis was he of whom I said, \u2018He who  comes after me ranks ahead of me because he was before me.\u2019\u201d)  From his fullness we have all received, grace upon grace.  The law indeed was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.  No one has ever seen God. It is God the only Son (<em>or<\/em>: It is an only Son, God, <em>or <\/em>It is the only Son) who is close to the Father\u2019s heart, who has made him known.<\/p><cite> John 1:1-18, New Revised Standard Version <\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignright size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"200\" height=\"200\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/s200_andrew.perry_.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-42214\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/s200_andrew.perry_.jpg 200w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/s200_andrew.perry_-150x150.jpg 150w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 200px) 100vw, 200px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>John 1:1-18; 1 John 1:1-4; Mark 1:1; Genesis 1:1-5; 2 Corinthians 5:17; 1 Corinthians 8:6; John 20:24-29; Genesis 1:26-27; Romans 8:29; John 14:9; John 14:6; John 8:12; John 6:51; John 11:25; Philippians 2:5-11.<\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Dr. Perry's papers at Academia.edu (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/durham.academia.edu\/AndrewPerry\" target=\"_blank\">Dr. Perry&#8217;s papers at Academia.edu<\/a><\/li><li> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.academia.edu\/3288395\/John_1_Jesus_Creator_of_an_old_creation_or_of_a_new_one\">&#8220;John 1: Jesus, Creator of an old creation or of a new one?&#8221;<\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.academia.edu\/2905451\/Manifestation_or_Incarnation\">&#8220;Manifestation or Incarnation?<\/a>&#8221;  <\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"&quot;Christological Monotheism: 1 Cor 8.6 and the Shema&quot; (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.academia.edu\/40236057\/Christological_Monotheism_1_Cor_8.6_and_the_Shema\" target=\"_blank\">&#8220;Christological Monotheism: 1 Cor 8.6 and the Shema&#8221;<\/a> (w\/Thomas Gaston)<\/li><li><em><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Before He Was Born, 7th ed. (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"http:\/\/www.lulu.com\/shop\/andrew-perry\/before-he-was-born\/hardcover\/product-23384060.html\" target=\"_blank\">Before He Was Born, 7th ed.<\/a><\/em><\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-258-who-is-the-one-creator-part-1\/\">podcast 258 \u2013 Who is the one Creator? \u2013 Part 1<\/a> <\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-259-who-is-the-one-creator-part-2\/\">podcast 259 \u2013 Who is the one Creator? \u2013 Part 2<\/a><\/li><li> <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-97-dr-michael-heiser-on-the-unseen-realm\/\">podcast 97 \u2013 Dr. Michael Heiser on The Unseen Realm<\/a> <\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"a reading of Philippians 2:5-11 (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/a-reading-of-philippians-25-11\/\" target=\"_blank\">a reading of Philippians 2:5-11<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Racovian Catechism (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"http:\/\/www.lulu.com\/shop\/translated-by-thomas-rees\/the-racovian-catechism\/paperback\/product-874342.html\" target=\"_blank\">Racovian Catechism<\/a><\/li><li><em><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"The New Testament, in An Improved Version (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/books.google.com\/books?id=jfXJugEACAAJ&amp;newbks=1&amp;newbks_redir=0&amp;pg=PR1#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false\" target=\"_blank\">The New Testament, in An Improved Version<\/a><\/em><\/li><li>This week&#8217;s thinking music is &#8220;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\"Anoitecer (Nightfall) (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Guifrog\/Guifrog_-_Singles_1498\" target=\"_blank\">Anoitecer (Nightfall)<\/a>&#8221;  by <a href=\"https:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Guifrog\/\">Guifrog.<\/a><\/li><\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Does John start his gospel at the same &#8220;beginning&#8221; as Mark 1:1?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":42215,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"off","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[21,16,93,15,91,14,33,56,47,57,94,43],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-42212","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-bible","category-books","category-christadelphian","category-christology","category-creation","category-history","category-incarnation","category-interview","category-papers","category-podcast","category-socinian","category-unitarianism"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/42212","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=42212"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/42212\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":42220,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/42212\/revisions\/42220"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/42215"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=42212"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=42212"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=42212"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}