{"id":42258,"date":"2020-04-09T01:25:42","date_gmt":"2020-04-09T06:25:42","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=42258"},"modified":"2020-04-09T01:25:47","modified_gmt":"2020-04-09T06:25:47","slug":"podcast-290-is-the-socinian-interpretation-of-john-1-correct-a-conversation-with-carlos","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-290-is-the-socinian-interpretation-of-john-1-correct-a-conversation-with-carlos\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 290 &#8211; Is the &#8220;Socinian&#8221; interpretation of John 1 correct? A conversation with Carlos."},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_9118\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-42258-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities290.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities290.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities290.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities290.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=42258-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities290.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities290.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p>\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignright size-large is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Carlos-and-Dale.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-42262\" width=\"463\" height=\"348\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Carlos-and-Dale.png 772w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Carlos-and-Dale-450x339.png 450w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Carlos-and-Dale-768x578.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 463px) 100vw, 463px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In this episode I discuss &#8220;Socinian&#8221;-type readings of John 1 with Carlos from Restoration Fellowship. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">First, I explain the common anachronistic misreading of this passage, and then the &#8220;Socinian&#8221; rival interpretation.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I then lodge several objections against this interpretation.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Along the way we discuss Socinus, the Racovian Catechism, the evolution of my own views, why I don&#8217;t believe in Jesus&#8217;s pre-existence, problems with two-natures speculations about Jesus, and a textual problem in John 1:13.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>John 1:1-14; Revelation 19:13; Proverbs 8:22; 1 John 1:1-3; Hebrews 1:1-14; Colossians 1:15-23; John 14:9-10; John 20:28; 1 Corinthians 8:4-6; Ephesians 4:4-6; Philippians 2:6; John 16:27-28; James 1:17; John 14:9; 2 Corinthians 5:19; Luke 20:4.<\/li><li><em><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/biblehub.com\/greek\/3056.htm\" target=\"_blank\">logos<\/a><\/em><\/li><li><strong>Sir Anthony Buzzard, &#8220;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/onegodworship.com\/john-11-fifty-plus-english-translations\/\" target=\"_blank\">John 1:1 \u2013 Fifty Plus English Translations<\/a>&#8220;<\/strong><\/li><li><strong><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/user\/AbrahamicMovement\" target=\"_blank\">Restoration Fellowship<\/a> YouTube channel<\/strong><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=zoJGBu1gh7A\" target=\"_blank\">Unedited video version: &#8220;Dale Tuggy on &#8220;Socinian&#8221; John 1 interpreation.&#8221;<\/a><\/li><li><em><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/www.lulu.com\/shop\/translated-by-thomas-rees\/the-racovian-catechism\/paperback\/product-874342.html\" target=\"_blank\">The Racovian Catechism<\/a><\/em><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-235-the-case-against-preexistence\/\" target=\"_blank\">podcast 235 \u2013 The Case Against Preexistence<\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-289-socinian-approaches-to-john-1-part-2\/\">podcast 289 \u2013 \u201cSocinian\u201d approaches to John 1 \u2013 Part 2<\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-288-socinian-approaches-to-john-1-part-1\/\">podcast 288 \u2013 \u201cSocinian\u201d approaches to John 1 \u2013 Part 1<\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-287-dr-andrew-perry-on-john-1\/\">podcast 287 \u2013 Dr. Andrew Perry on John 1<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=s6wK-lRZP-k\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>Clarifying Catholic Christologies<\/strong><\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/c35_uFjEbx8\" target=\"_blank\">Debate &#8211; Dr. Dale Tuggy vs. Chris Date &#8220;Is Jesus Human and not Divine?&#8221;<\/a><\/li><li><strong>Bill Schlegel: &#8220;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/landandbible.blogspot.com\/2020\/04\/some-comments-on-dr-dale-tuggy-and.html\" target=\"_blank\">Some Comments on the recent discussion by Dr. Dale Tuggy and Carlos Xavier on the Socinian view of John&#8217;s Prologue<\/a>&#8220;<\/strong><\/li><li>This week&#8217;s thinking music is &#8220;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/spinningmerkaba\/spinningmerkaba_-_Singles_1759\/Organonometron_256\" target=\"_blank\">Organanometron (140811 Mix)<\/a>&#8221; by <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/spinningmerkaba\" target=\"_blank\">spinningmerkaba<\/a>.<\/li><\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Why we don&#8217;t accept this sort of interpretation.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":42262,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"off","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[21,16,14,57,77,94,3,43],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-42258","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-bible","category-books","category-history","category-podcast","category-protestant","category-socinian","category-theories","category-unitarianism"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/42258","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=42258"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/42258\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":42268,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/42258\/revisions\/42268"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/42262"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=42258"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=42258"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=42258"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}