{"id":42292,"date":"2020-04-13T17:00:47","date_gmt":"2020-04-13T22:00:47","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=42292"},"modified":"2020-04-13T17:00:51","modified_gmt":"2020-04-13T22:00:51","slug":"podcast-291-from-one-god-to-two-gods-to-three-gods-john-1-and-early-christian-theologies","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-291-from-one-god-to-two-gods-to-three-gods-john-1-and-early-christian-theologies\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 291 &#8211; From one God to two gods to three &#8220;Gods&#8221; &#8211; John 1 and early Christian theologies"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_7074\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-42292-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities291.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities291.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities291.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities291.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=42292-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities291.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities291.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p>\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignleft size-large is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/the-four-options-1-1024x567.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-42297\" width=\"660\" height=\"365\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/the-four-options-1-1024x567.png 1024w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/the-four-options-1-450x249.png 450w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/the-four-options-1-768x426.png 768w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/the-four-options-1.png 1478w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 660px) 100vw, 660px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In this presentation I ask <strong>what the author means by saying in John 1:1 that &#8220;the Word was God.&#8221;<\/strong> Is this the same god as the one mentioned before (&#8220;the Word was with God&#8221;) or is it a different god? And also, is this &#8220;Word&#8221; supposed to be the same self as the man Jesus? <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">It seems that Christian theologians c. 150-250 A.D. disagreed on these questions! As I explain here, there are <strong>four options<\/strong> for reading this opening to the fourth gospel &#8211; these seem to correspond with the streams of mainstream catholic theologies of the late 100s and early 200s. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I explain why, given the scriptural background to this gospel, <strong>only one of those four rightly int<\/strong>erpreted this famous Prologue.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Because my PowerPoints will help you to follow this presentation, <strong>I recommend the YouTube screencast version of this episode here:<\/strong> <\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<div class=\"nv-iframe-embed\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"trinities 291 - From one God to two gods to three &quot;Gods&quot; - John 1 and early Christian theologies\" width=\"1200\" height=\"675\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/J3xXdrAAHzo?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/div>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Links for this episode: <\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignright size-large is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/3-stages-slide-1024x540.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-42295\" width=\"643\" height=\"338\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/3-stages-slide-1024x540.png 1024w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/3-stages-slide-450x237.png 450w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/3-stages-slide-768x405.png 768w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/3-stages-slide.png 1245w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 643px) 100vw, 643px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>John 1:1-3; Acts 2:22; John 14:10; Genesis 1:1; Genesis 1:3; Genesis 1:26-27; Psalm 33:6; Psalm 148:5; Isaiah 45:12; Isaiah 44:24b; Proverbs 8:23-30.<\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.oxfordhandbooks.com\/view\/10.1093\/oxfordhb\/9780199935314.001.0001\/oxfordhb-9780199935314-e-27\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>&#8220;Metaphysics and Logic of the Trinity&#8221;<\/strong><\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-270-origens-one-god\/\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>podcast 270 \u2013 Origen\u2019s \u201cone God\u201d<\/strong><\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=s6wK-lRZP-k&amp;t=909s\" target=\"_blank\">Clarifying Catholic Christologies<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-164-on-counting-gods\/\" target=\"_blank\">podcast 164 \u2013 On Counting Gods<\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/historicalapologetics.org\/lardner-nathaniel\/\"><strong>Lardner, Nathaniel &#8211; The Library of Historical Apologetics<\/strong><\/a><\/li><li><em><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/www.lulu.com\/shop\/nathaniel-lardner\/lardner-on-the-trinity\/paperback\/product-4072119.html\" target=\"_blank\">Lardner on the Trinity<\/a><\/em><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?time_continue=3404&amp;v=2XrlA3mf3MY&amp;feature=emb_logo\" target=\"_blank\">Video version of this presentation at 21st Century Reformation<\/a><\/li><li><em><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.what-is-the-trinity.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">What is the Trinity?<\/a><\/em><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-70-the-one-god-and-his-son-according-to-john\/\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>podcast 70 \u2013 The one God and his Son according to John<\/strong><\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-76-justin-martyrs-dialogue-with-trypho-part-3\/\">podcast 76 \u2013 Justin Martyr\u2019s Dialogue with Trypho \u2013 Part 3<\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-75-justin-martyrs-dialogue-with-trypho-part-2\/\">podcast 75 \u2013 Justin Martyr\u2019s Dialogue with Trypho \u2013 Part 2<\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-74-justin-martyrs-dialogue-with-trypho-part-1\/\"><strong>podcast 74 \u2013 Justin Martyr\u2019s Dialogue with Trypho \u2013 Part 1<\/strong><\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-73-is-proverbs-8-about-jesus-part-3\/\">podcast 73 \u2013 Is Proverbs 8 about Jesus? Part 3<\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-72-is-proverbs-8-about-jesus-part-2\/\">podcast 72 \u2013 Is Proverbs 8 about Jesus? Part 2<\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-71-proverbs-8-jesus-part-1\/\">podcast 71 \u2013 Is Proverbs 8 about Jesus? Part 1<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-290-is-the-socinian-interpretation-of-john-1-correct-a-conversation-with-carlos\/\" target=\"_blank\"><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-259-who-is-the-one-creator-part-2\/\">podcast 259 \u2013 Who is the one Creator? \u2013 Part 2<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-290-is-the-socinian-interpretation-of-john-1-correct-a-conversation-with-carlos\/\" target=\"_blank\"><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-258-who-is-the-one-creator-part-1\/\"><strong>podcast 258 \u2013 Who is the one Creator? \u2013 Part 1<\/strong><\/a><\/li><li>This week&#8217;s thinking music is &#8220;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/spinningmerkaba\/spinningmerkaba_-_Singles_1759\/The_Stars_Look_Different_Ziggy_Stardust_Mix\" target=\"_blank\">The Stars Look Different (Ziggy Stardust Mix)<\/a>&#8221; by <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/spinningmerkaba\/\" target=\"_blank\">spinningmerkaba<\/a><\/li><\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>&#8220;And the Word was God.&#8221; Which one? 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