{"id":42307,"date":"2020-04-20T21:22:32","date_gmt":"2020-04-21T02:22:32","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=42307"},"modified":"2020-04-20T22:25:55","modified_gmt":"2020-04-21T03:25:55","slug":"podcast-292-new-vs-old-beginning-two-interpretations-of-john-1","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-292-new-vs-old-beginning-two-interpretations-of-john-1\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 292 &#8211; New vs. Old &#8220;Beginning&#8221; &#8211; Two Interpretations of John 1"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_3439\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-42307-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities292.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities292.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities292.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities292.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=42307-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities292.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities292.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p>\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignright size-large is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Bill-Sam-and-Dale-1024x463.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-42308\" width=\"512\" height=\"232\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Bill-Sam-and-Dale-1024x463.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Bill-Sam-and-Dale-450x203.jpg 450w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Bill-Sam-and-Dale-768x347.jpg 768w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Bill-Sam-and-Dale.jpg 1430w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 512px) 100vw, 512px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This episode is <strong>an extended conversation with Bill Schlegel<\/strong>, host of the One God Report podcast. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Hosted by our friend Sam Adams for his <strong>YouTube channel Transfigured<\/strong>, we have a friendly argument about whether &#8220;the beginning&#8221; mentioned in John 1:1 is supposed to be the time of the Genesis creation or the time of God&#8217;s &#8220;new creation&#8221; through Jesus, the start of the new Christian era. Another question is: is &#8220;the Word&#8221; here the man Jesus, or is it something like God&#8217;s wisdom? <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>For Bill, the whole Prologue is<\/strong> about the man Jesus&#8217;s era. <strong>As I read it<\/strong>, the account starts with the time of creation and then tells a story that culminates in God&#8217;s word living among us in the Messiah Jesus.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Are you persuaded by Bill&#8217;s case? By mine? Why or why not?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>John 1:1-14; Genesis 1:1-3; Psalm 33:6, Proverbs 8:30; Psalm 119:105; John 6:65; John 8:25; John 16:4; John 15:27; 1 John 1:1-4; Wisdom of Solomon 9:1-4; Hebrews 1:1-3; Colossians 1:15-20; 1 Corinthians 8:4-6; Revelation 19:13; Sirach 24:1-10; Exodus 4:16; 2 Corinthians 5:19; John 14:23; John 12:48; John 3:18; John 20:31; John 1:12; John 3:19; John 8:12; John 12:46; John 1:26; John 1:14; Baruch 3:9-37; Wisdom of Solomon 9:1-4; Wisdom of Solomon 18:14-16; 1 John 4:1-3; Genesis 22:1-19; John 1:29; Hebrews 11:17-19; Hebrews 11:1; Revelation 3:14; Mark 1:1; Matthew 1:1. <\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/channel\/UCg7Ed0lecvko58ibuX1XHng\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>Sam Adams&#8217;s YouTube channel: Transfigured<\/strong><\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=QuoqGzIu5Wc\" target=\"_blank\">A Non-Trinitarian Amidst Evangelicals, The Value of Propositional Belief<\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/U-liJzoMvNY\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">What is a Christian? Alister McGrath&#8217;s Heresy, The Trinity, Propositional Truth, the Church<\/a><\/li><li><strong><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/anchor.fm\/onegodreport-podcast\" target=\"_blank\">The One God Report podcast<\/a><\/strong> <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/one-god-report\/id1491406270\" target=\"_blank\">(@Apple)<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/anchor.fm\/onegodreport-podcast\/episodes\/6-What-about-John-11--part-1-eaigs4\" target=\"_blank\">What about John 1:1? (part 1)<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/anchor.fm\/onegodreport-podcast\/episodes\/10-Evolution-of-the-Trinity--Interview-with-Dr--Dale-Tuggy--part-1-ebro54\" target=\"_blank\">Evolution of the Trinity, Interview with Dr. Dale Tuggy, part 1<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/anchor.fm\/onegodreport-podcast\/episodes\/11-Evolution-of-the-Trinity--Part-2--Interview-with-Dr--Dale-Tuggy-ec2pgd\" target=\"_blank\">Evolution of the Trinity, Part 2, Interview with Dr. Dale Tuggy<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/www.onegodreport.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">One God Report<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=9LA9Uq-8xMc\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>Bill &amp; Stephanie Schlegel: From Trinity to One God<\/strong><\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-291-from-one-god-to-two-gods-to-three-gods-john-1-and-early-christian-theologies\/\">podcast 291 \u2013 From one God to two gods to three<strong> \u201cGods\u201d \u2013 John 1 and early Christian theologies<\/strong><\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-290-is-the-socinian-interpretation-of-john-1-correct-a-conversation-with-carlos\/\">podcast 290 \u2013 Is the \u201cSocinian\u201d interpretation of John 1 correct? A conversation with Carlos.<\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-289-socinian-approaches-to-john-1-part-2\/\">podcast 289 \u2013 \u201cSocinian\u201d approaches to John 1 \u2013 Part 2<\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-288-socinian-approaches-to-john-1-part-1\/\">podcast 288 \u2013 \u201cSocinian\u201d approaches to John 1 \u2013 Part 1<\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-287-dr-andrew-perry-on-john-1\/\">podcast 287 \u2013 Dr. Andrew Perry on John 1<\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-224-biblical-words-for-god-and-for-his-son-part-1-god-and-god-in-the-bible\/\">podcast 224 \u2013 Biblical Words for God and for his Son Part 1 \u2013 God and \u201cGod\u201d in the Bible<\/a><\/li><li>This week&#8217;s thinking music is <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Little_Glass_Men\/The_Age_of_Insignificance\/Poolside\" target=\"_blank\">&#8220;Poolside&#8221;<\/a> by <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Little_Glass_Men\" target=\"_blank\">Little Glass Men<\/a>. <\/li><\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Is this &#8220;beginning&#8221; when the cosmos was created by God, or when it was &#8220;newly created&#8221; through the man Jesus?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":42308,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"off","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[21,15,91,54,8,57,94,43],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-42307","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-bible","category-christology","category-creation","category-debates","category-linkage","category-podcast","category-socinian","category-unitarianism"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/42307","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=42307"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/42307\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":42317,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/42307\/revisions\/42317"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/42308"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=42307"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=42307"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=42307"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}