{"id":42486,"date":"2020-06-01T20:18:02","date_gmt":"2020-06-02T01:18:02","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=42486"},"modified":"2020-06-02T19:55:57","modified_gmt":"2020-06-03T00:55:57","slug":"podcast-296-assessing-craigs-trinity-monotheism-with-dale-glover-part-1","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-296-assessing-craigs-trinity-monotheism-with-dale-glover-part-1\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 296 &#8211; Assessing Craig&#8217;s &#8220;Trinity Monotheism&#8221; &#8211; with Dale Glover &#8211; Part 1"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_1531\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-42486-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities296.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities296.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities296.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities296.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=42486-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities296.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities296.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p>\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignright size-large is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Hercules-battles-Cerberus.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-42488\" width=\"481\" height=\"392\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Hercules-battles-Cerberus.jpg 939w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Hercules-battles-Cerberus-450x367.jpg 450w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Hercules-battles-Cerberus-768x626.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 481px) 100vw, 481px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Notoriously, Dr. William Lane Craig compares the Trinity to the mythical three-headed dog <strong>Cerberus <\/strong>from Greek mythology &#8211; shown here as Hercules is about to club him. (Or: club <em>them<\/em>?)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">But that analogy is <em>not <\/em>really the heart of his model of the Trinity, which he calls &#8220;<strong>Trinity monotheism<\/strong>.&#8221; <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">On this theory, <strong>God is one &#8220;soul&#8221; which somehow supports three &#8220;centers of consciousness&#8221;<\/strong> by having three sets of mental and volitional faculties. This is called &#8220;Trinity monotheism&#8221; because on this theology, only the Trinity is divine in the way the one God is divine &#8211; none of the &#8220;Persons&#8221; is. Each person is &#8220;divine&#8221; in being a part of something which is literally and fully divine &#8211; God.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Canadian apologist Dale Glover, who is sympathetic to Craig&#8217;s Trinity theory, invited me on to his podcast to discuss the merits of Dr. Craig&#8217;s &#8220;Trinity monotheism.&#8221; In this first part of our conversation, I first describe some <strong>positive features of Craig&#8217;s work on the Trinity<\/strong>, and then I give a few biblical, historical, and philosophical <strong>objections <\/strong>to this unique theory. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/realseekerministries.wordpress.com\/\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>Real Seeker Ministries<\/strong><\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=CKZr04KtuGs\" target=\"_blank\">Assessing Trinity Monotheism- with Dr. Dale Tuggy (a Biblical Unitarian)<\/a><\/li><li><em><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Philosophical-Foundations-Christian-Worldview-Moreland\/dp\/0830851879\/ref=dp_ob_title_bk\" target=\"_blank\">Philosophical Foundations for a Christian Worldview<\/a><\/em><\/li><li>&#8220;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/trinity\/\" target=\"_blank\">Trinity<\/a>,&#8221; <em>Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy<\/em><\/li><li><em><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.what-is-the-trinity.com\/\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>What is the Trinity?<\/strong><\/a><\/em><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-260-how-to-argue-that-the-bible-is-trinitarian\/\" target=\"_blank\">podcast 260 \u2013 How to Argue that the Bible is Trinitarian<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/the-standard-opening-move\/\" target=\"_blank\">The Standard Opening Move<\/a> (of apologists on &#8220;the Trinity&#8221;)<\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?s=evolution+of+my+views\" target=\"_blank\">the evolution of my views on the Trinity<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-57-richard-swinburne-on-the-trinity\/\" target=\"_blank\">podcast 57 \u2013 Richard Swinburne on the Trinity<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-286-is-the-trinity-essential-three-views\/\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>podcast 286 \u2013 Is the Trinity Essential? \u2013 Three Views<\/strong><\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/craig-how-nicene-orthodoxy-rules-out-the-full-deity-of-christ\/\" target=\"_blank\">Craig: how Nicene orthodoxy rules out the full deity of Christ<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-126-what-is-an-evangelical-with-kermit-zarley\/\" target=\"_blank\">podcast 126 \u2013 What is an evangelical? With Kermit Zarley<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=c35_uFjEbx8\" target=\"_blank\">Debate &#8211; Dr. Dale Tuggy vs. Chris Date &#8220;Is Jesus Human and not Divine?&#8221;<\/a><\/li><li><em><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Dale-Tuggy\/dp\/1946971804\/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&amp;keywords=date+tuggy&amp;qid=1591057164&amp;sr=8-1\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>Is Jesus Human and Not Divine?<\/strong><\/a><\/em><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-271-does-your-trinity-theory-require-relative-identity\/\" target=\"_blank\">podcast 271 \u2013 Does your Trinity theory require relative identity?<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/quote-on-believing-what-you-dont-at-all-understand\/\" target=\"_blank\">on believing what you don\u2019t at all understand<\/a><\/li><li><strong><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/the-lost-early-history-of-unitarian-christian-theology\/\" target=\"_blank\">The Lost Early History of Unitarian Christian Theology<\/a><\/strong><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-11-tertullian-the-unitarian\/\" target=\"_blank\">podcast 11 \u2013 Tertullian the unitarian<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-232-trinity-club-orientation\/\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>podcast 232 \u2013 Trinity Club Orientation<\/strong><\/a><\/li><li>my two bill eps<\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-252-fred-sanders-on-seeing-the-trinity-in-scripture-and-his-secret\/\" target=\"_blank\">podcast 252 \u2013 Fred Sanders on Seeing the Trinity in Scripture, and his Secret<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-189-the-unfinished-business-of-the-reformation\/\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>podcast 189 \u2013 The unfinished business of the Reformation<\/strong><\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-248-how-trinity-theories-conflict-with-the-bible\/\" target=\"_blank\">podcast 248 \u2013 How Trinity theories conflict with the Bible<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/the-tuggy-brown-debate-dales-opening-statement\/\" target=\"_blank\">The Tuggy-Brown debate: Dale\u2019s opening statement<\/a><\/li><li>This week&#8217;s thinking music is &#8220;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/dig.ccmixter.org\/files\/mindmapthat\/60675\" target=\"_blank\">Blue Sky Blues<\/a>&#8221; by <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/dig.ccmixter.org\/people\/mindmapthat\" target=\"_blank\">Kara Square<\/a>.<\/li><\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A conversation on Dr. William Lane Craig&#8217;s unique take on the Trinity.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":42488,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"off","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[37,58,14,38,9,57,77,3],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-42486","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-apologetics","category-creeds","category-history","category-monotheism","category-philosophy","category-podcast","category-protestant","category-theories"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/42486","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=42486"}],"version-history":[{"count":6,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/42486\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":42504,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/42486\/revisions\/42504"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/42488"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=42486"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=42486"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=42486"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}