{"id":42496,"date":"2020-06-08T19:08:20","date_gmt":"2020-06-09T00:08:20","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=42496"},"modified":"2020-06-08T19:08:25","modified_gmt":"2020-06-09T00:08:25","slug":"podcast-297-assessing-craigs-trinity-monotheism-with-dale-glover-part-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-297-assessing-craigs-trinity-monotheism-with-dale-glover-part-2\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 297 &#8211; Assessing Craig&#8217;s &#8220;Trinity Monotheism&#8221; &#8211; with Dale Glover &#8211; Part 2"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_3260\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-42496-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities297.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities297.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities297.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities297.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=42496-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities297.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities297.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p>\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignleft size-large is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Craig_Seminar_1-592x1024.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-42499\" width=\"296\" height=\"512\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Craig_Seminar_1-592x1024.jpg 592w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Craig_Seminar_1-260x450.jpg 260w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Craig_Seminar_1-768x1328.jpg 768w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Craig_Seminar_1-888x1536.jpg 888w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Craig_Seminar_1.jpg 1099w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 296px) 100vw, 296px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In this second part of my conversation with Canadian apologist Dale Glover, we continue to discuss Dr. Craig&#8217;s views on the Trinity. Mr. Glover is sympathetic to &#8220;Trinity monotheism,&#8221; but I am against it for biblical and philosophical reasons. Our topics include:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li><strong>Dr. Craig&#8217;s philosophical anti-unitarian argument<\/strong> (taken from Swinburne)<\/li><li>progressive revelation and how this relates to Craig&#8217;s Trinity theory<\/li><li>my argument that <strong>if we assert that Jesus is essentially omniscient<\/strong>, this would make him a liar &#8211; even if a lot of his knowledge is subconscious<\/li><li>how &#8220;Trinity Monotheism&#8221; <strong>divides the divine attributes <\/strong>between the Trinity and the Persons, and its controversial assertion of property borrowing<\/li><li>Dr. Craig&#8217;s claim that<strong> the &#8220;soul&#8221; which is God <\/strong>has three mental and volitional faculties sufficient for being a self &#8211; and yet that soul which is God is not a self<\/li><li>how Craig&#8217;s theory differs from Constitution Trinitarianism<\/li><li>how Craig&#8217;s theory requires the controversial claim that there are<strong> two ways to be divine<\/strong>: by being a god, and by being a part of a god &#8211; what Dr. Daniel Howard-Snyder calls the &#8220;diminished divinity problem&#8221;<\/li><li>the clash between Christian traditions and <strong>Craig&#8217;s view that God is not a self\/person<\/strong>, and how this relates to worship<\/li><li>why I think there is <strong>strong evidence against <\/strong>the claim that the New Testament authors don&#8217;t believe in a triune God<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Thanks to Dale Glover for a good conversation!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignright size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"350\" height=\"500\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Philosophical-Foundations-for-a-Christian-Worldview.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-42498\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Philosophical-Foundations-for-a-Christian-Worldview.jpg 350w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Philosophical-Foundations-for-a-Christian-Worldview-315x450.jpg 315w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 350px) 100vw, 350px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li><em><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Philosophical-Foundations-Christian-Worldview-Moreland\/dp\/0830851879\/ref=dp_ob_title_bk\" target=\"_blank\">Philosophical Foundations for a Christian Worldview<\/a><\/em><\/li><li>Dr. Craig&#8217;s podcast <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.reasonablefaith.org\/media\/reasonable-faith-podcast\" target=\"_blank\">Reasonable Faith<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-230-the-failure-of-fashionable-antiunitarian-arguments\/\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>podcast 230 \u2013 The Failure of Fashionable Antiunitarian Arguments<\/strong><\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-248-how-trinity-theories-conflict-with-the-bible\/\" target=\"_blank\">podcast 248 \u2013 How Trinity theories conflict with the Bible<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/anchor.fm\/onegodreport-podcast\/episodes\/10-Evolution-of-the-Trinity--Interview-with-Dr--Dale-Tuggy--part-1-ebro54\" target=\"_blank\">One God Report podcast: Evolution of the Trinity, Interview with Dr. Dale Tuggy, part 1<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/anchor.fm\/onegodreport-podcast\/episodes\/11-Evolution-of-the-Trinity--Part-2--Interview-with-Dr--Dale-Tuggy-ec2pgd\" target=\"_blank\">One God Report podcast: Evolution of the Trinity, Interview with Dr. Dale Tuggy, part 2<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/faculty.wwu.edu\/~howardd\/\" target=\"_blank\">Daniel Howard-Snyder<\/a><\/li><li>&#8220;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/faculty.wwu.edu\/~howardd\/Trinity.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">Trinity<\/a>,&#8221; <em>Routledge Encyclopedia of Philosophy<\/em><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Chang_and_Eng_Bunker\" target=\"_blank\">Eng and Chang<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=VKrvtq5vDmk\" target=\"_blank\">the interesting sisters I mention <\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/trinity\/#DivLifStr\" target=\"_blank\">Leftow&#8217;s one-self Trinity theory<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?s=%22Trinity+monotheism%22\" target=\"_blank\">old trinities posts on &#8220;Trinity monotheism&#8221;<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=VeKavDdRVIg\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>Craig&#8217;s kalam cosmological argument for the existence of God<\/strong><\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=KNuXQ6s-pPQ&amp;list=PL0B58AB39400D982E&amp;index=67\" target=\"_blank\">the modal ontological argument for the existence of God<\/a><\/li><li>Matthew 24:36; Mark 13:32; Mark 14:32-42; Jude 1:3; John 17:1-3; 1 Corinthians 8:4-6; <\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-189-the-unfinished-business-of-the-reformation\/\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>podcast 189 \u2013 The unfinished business of the Reformation<\/strong><\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-271-does-your-trinity-theory-require-relative-identity\/\" target=\"_blank\">podcast 271 \u2013 Does your Trinity theory require relative identity?<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.academia.edu\/4479697\/Constitution_Trinitarianism_An_Appraisal_Philosophy_and_Theology_25_1_129-62_2013\" target=\"_blank\">&#8220;Constitution Trinitarianism: An Appraisal&#8221;<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/craig-how-nicene-orthodoxy-rules-out-the-full-deity-of-christ\/\" target=\"_blank\">Craig: how Nicene orthodoxy rules out the full deity of Christ<\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-286-is-the-trinity-essential-three-views\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">podcast 286 \u2013 Is the Trinity Essential? \u2013 Three Views<\/a><\/li><li>This week&#8217;s thinking music is &#8220;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Little_Glass_Men\/Future_Shapes\/Polybear\" target=\"_blank\">Polybear<\/a>&#8221; by <a href=\"https:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Little_Glass_Men\/\">Little Glass Men.<\/a><\/li><\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Does it make sense to say that God is a soul with three cognitive and volitional faculties &#8211; but is nonetheless not a self?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":42500,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"off","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[37,21,9,57,3,53],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-42496","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-apologetics","category-bible","category-philosophy","category-podcast","category-theories","category-worship"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/42496","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=42496"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/42496\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":42506,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/42496\/revisions\/42506"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/42500"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=42496"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=42496"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=42496"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}