{"id":42573,"date":"2020-07-20T20:30:16","date_gmt":"2020-07-21T01:30:16","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=42573"},"modified":"2020-09-07T08:51:52","modified_gmt":"2020-09-07T13:51:52","slug":"podcast-301-dr-daniel-boyarin-on-john-1","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-301-dr-daniel-boyarin-on-john-1\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 301 &#8211; Dr. Daniel Boyarin on John 1"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_5390\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-42573-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities301.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities301.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities301.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities301.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=42573-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities301.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities301.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p>\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignright size-large is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Daniel-Boyarin-in-2016-at-Yale-1.png\" alt=\"Daniel-Boyarin-in-2016-at-Yale-1\" class=\"wp-image-42564\" width=\"341\" height=\"325\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Daniel-Boyarin-in-2016-at-Yale-1.png 612w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Daniel-Boyarin-in-2016-at-Yale-1-450x429.png 450w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 341px) 100vw, 341px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Dr. Daniel Boyarin<\/strong> is the Hermann P. and Sophia Taubman Professor of Talmudic Culture in the Departments of Near Eastern Studies and Rhetoric at the University of California at Berkeley. He is the author of more than a dozen scholarly books and more than 150 scholarly articles in English and in Hebrew. He has been called <strong>one of the greatest living Talmudic scholars<\/strong>. Many Christians interested in historical theology or apologetics have read his work on ancient Jewish and Christian theologies, including his book <em><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Jewish-Gospels-Daniel-Boyarin-ebook\/dp\/B007QXUY6O\/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&amp;keywords=daniel+boyarin&amp;qid=1595281907&amp;sr=8-2\" target=\"_blank\">The Jewish Gospels<\/a><\/em> and his weightier <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Border-Lines-Partition-Judaeo-Christianity-Divinations\/dp\/0812219864\/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&amp;keywords=Border+Lines%3A+The+Partition+of+Judaeo-Christianity&amp;qid=1595281734&amp;sr=8-1\" target=\"_blank\"><em>Border Lines: The Partition of Judaeo-Christianity<\/em><\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In this episode I present and explain <strong>some of his thoughts on interpreting the famous Prologue<\/strong> to the Gospel According to John. This is in his appendix called &#8220;<em>Logos<\/em>, a Jewish Word: John&#8217;s Prologue as Midrash,&#8221; in <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Jewish-Annotated-New-Testament\/dp\/0190461853\/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1P57L2KSO5ZD&amp;dchild=1&amp;keywords=jewish+annotated+new+testament&amp;qid=1595282054&amp;sprefix=jewish+annotat%2Caps%2C222&amp;sr=8-1\" target=\"_blank\"><em>The Jewish Annotated New Testament<\/em><\/a>, and in his book <em>Border Lines<\/em>. For Dr. Boyarin,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>Until v. 14, John&#8217;s Prologue is a piece of perfectly unexceptional Jewish thought. . . <\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignleft size-large is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Border-Lines-cover.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-42567\" width=\"218\" height=\"327\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Border-Lines-cover.jpg 333w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Border-Lines-cover-300x450.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 218px) 100vw, 218px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I start by explaining some of his interesting ideas about how one variegated religious scene split into two wholly separate religions in the 100s and 200s, and how the rabbinic movement changed the mix of Jewish theologies in late ancient and early medieval times.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>The way Dr. Boyarin reads the opening of the fourth gospel<\/strong>, it is a unified whole; it is pointless to speculate about a pre-existing &#8220;Logos hymn&#8221; which the author has allegedly pasted in, and then he or another redactor modified it &#8211; some alleyways (arguably, dead-ends) much-explored in 20th c. scholarship. Boyarin argues that <strong>verses 1-5 are a &#8220;midrash&#8221; on the opening of Genesis 1<\/strong>, a sort of exposition of it using a later text in the Hebrew Bible, in this case, Proverbs 8. The rest of the prologue, he argues, explains how God&#8217;s wisdom eventually finds its fullest expression in Jesus. Like me, he understands that Jesus enters the scene at v. 14: &#8220;and the Word became flesh and dwelled among us.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Do you find his interpretation of John 1 plausible? Why or why not? <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignright size-large is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/The-Jewish-Annotated-New-Testament.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-42568\" width=\"204\" height=\"288\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/The-Jewish-Annotated-New-Testament.jpg 353w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/The-Jewish-Annotated-New-Testament-318x450.jpg 318w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 204px) 100vw, 204px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/nes.berkeley.edu\/Web_Boyarin\/BoyarinHomePage.html\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>Dr. Boyarin&#8217;s homepage<\/strong><\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/nes.berkeley.edu\/Web_Boyarin\/boyarin_cv.html#publications\">Dr. Boyarin&#8217;s publications<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Jewish-Annotated-New-Testament\/dp\/0190461853\/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1P57L2KSO5ZD&amp;dchild=1&amp;keywords=jewish+annotated+new+testament&amp;qid=1595282054&amp;sprefix=jewish+annotat%2Caps%2C222&amp;sr=8-1\" target=\"_blank\"><em><strong>The Jewish Annotated New Testament<\/strong><\/em><\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.thinkingaboutreligion.org\/s1-e3-amy-jill-levine-on-the-jewish-annotated-new-testament\/\" target=\"_blank\">interview with co-editor Dr. Amy-Jill Levine<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Border-Lines-Partition-Judaeo-Christianity-Divinations\/dp\/0812219864\/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&amp;keywords=Border+Lines%3A+The+Partition+of+Judaeo-Christianity&amp;qid=1595281734&amp;sr=8-1\" target=\"_blank\"><em><strong>Border Lines: The Partition of Judaeo-Christianity<\/strong><\/em><\/a><\/li><li><em><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Jewish-Gospels-Daniel-Boyarin-ebook\/dp\/B007QXUY6O\/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&amp;keywords=daniel+boyarin&amp;qid=1595281907&amp;sr=8-2\" target=\"_blank\">The Jewish Gospels: The Story of the Jewish Christ<\/a><\/em><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=9iL3NZrxp28\" target=\"_blank\">&#8220;No &#8216;Judaism&#8217; In Josephus&#8221;<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=qyK2GCyQGYQ\" target=\"_blank\">&#8220;Enoch or Jesus? The Quest of the Historical Metatron&#8221;<\/a><\/li><li><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?s=%22John+1%22\" target=\"_blank\">other trinities podcast episodes on John 1<\/a><\/li><li>Numbers 11:23; Jeremiah 1:2; Sirach 24:1-34; Wisdom 7:22-10:21; Baruch 3:9-4:4; Genesis 1:1-5; Proverbs 8:22-36; John 1:1-18; Proverbs 8:30; Wisdom 9:9.<\/li><li>This week&#8217;s thinking music is &#8220;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Little_Glass_Men\/Spontaneous_Album_Sampler\/Desert_Castles\" target=\"_blank\">Desert Castles<\/a>&#8221; by <a href=\"https:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Little_Glass_Men\/\">Little Glass Men<\/a>.<\/li><\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>According to Dr. Boyarin, most 1st c. non-Christian Jews could accept John 1:1-13.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":42564,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"off","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[37,21,16,15,91,14,87,57],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-42573","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-apologetics","category-bible","category-books","category-christology","category-creation","category-history","category-judaism","category-podcast"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/42573","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=42573"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/42573\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":42578,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/42573\/revisions\/42578"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/42564"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=42573"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=42573"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=42573"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}