{"id":42734,"date":"2020-09-07T14:47:11","date_gmt":"2020-09-07T19:47:11","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=42734"},"modified":"2020-09-07T14:47:18","modified_gmt":"2020-09-07T19:47:18","slug":"podcast-302-the-stages-of-trinitarian-commitment","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-302-the-stages-of-trinitarian-commitment\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 302 &#8211; The Stages of Trinitarian Commitment"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_6177\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-42734-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities302.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities302.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities302.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities302.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=42734-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities302.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities302.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p>\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignright size-large is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/stages-of-trinitarian-committment-1-1024x566.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-42738\" width=\"330\" height=\"182\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/stages-of-trinitarian-committment-1-1024x566.png 1024w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/stages-of-trinitarian-committment-1-450x249.png 450w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/stages-of-trinitarian-committment-1-768x424.png 768w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/stages-of-trinitarian-committment-1-1536x849.png 1536w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/stages-of-trinitarian-committment-1.png 1819w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 330px) 100vw, 330px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In this talk, originally presented to Restoration Fellowship&#8217;s online 2020 Theological Conference, <strong>I describe six &#8220;stages&#8221; I&#8217;ve gone through, and that many go through<\/strong>, with respect to &#8220;the Trinity.&#8221; <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Because of my many slides,<strong> I recommend the YouTube version<\/strong> of this episode, embedded below.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">As I explain, <strong>most Christians<\/strong> spend their lives at the first stage. But some believe what they are told, that &#8220;the doctrine of the Trinity&#8221; is an all-important truth, one worth looking into, finding evidence for, and defending &#8211; and then one has taken a step down a path. But it is one step of many.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>The stages <\/strong>are these; each is briefly explained in this episode. I give examples of such people, relate a few of my own experiences, and explain why people move on to the next stage, or in some cases &#8220;regress.&#8221; <\/p>\n\n\n\n<ol class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>paper &#8220;trinitarian&#8221;<\/li><li>defender of &#8220;the Trinity&#8221;<\/li><li>interpreter of &#8220;the Trinity&#8221;<\/li><li>Berean trinitarian<\/li><li>&#8220;trinitarian&#8221; ex-trinitarian<\/li><li>unitarian Christian<\/li><\/ol>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I have gone through all six, in order. <strong>Which stage are you at<\/strong>, and what is keeping you from moving to the next?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-youtube wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<div class=\"nv-iframe-embed\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"trinities 302 - The Stages of Trinitarian Commitment\" width=\"1200\" height=\"675\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/DIsr07P5unA?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/div>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.unitarianchristianalliance.org\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Unitarian Christian Alliance (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\"><strong>Unitarian Christian Alliance<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a aria-label=\"podcast 281 \u2013 Introducing the Unitarian Christian Alliance (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-281-introducing-the-unitarian-christian-alliance\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 281 \u2013 Introducing the Unitarian Christian Alliance<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a aria-label=\"Rauser, Faith Lacking Understanding (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Faith-Lacking-Understanding-Theology-Through\/dp\/184227547X\/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&amp;keywords=rauser%2C+faith+lacking+understanding&amp;qid=1599486971&amp;sr=8-1\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">Rauser, <em>Faith Lacking Understanding<\/em><\/a> (<a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/book-review-randal-rausers-faith-lacking-understanding\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"review (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">review<\/a>)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Forgotten-Trinity-Recovering-Christian-Belief\/dp\/0764233823\/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&amp;keywords=white%2C+the+forgotten+trinity&amp;qid=1599487084&amp;sr=8-1\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"White, The Forgotten Trinity (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">White, <em>The Forgotten Trinity<\/em><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Search-Christian-Doctrine-God-Controversy\/dp\/080103146X\/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2P9XYP7SEFTKO&amp;dchild=1&amp;keywords=the+search+for+the+christian+doctrine+of+god+by+r.+p.+c.+hanson&amp;qid=1599006223&amp;sprefix=the+search+for+the+christian%2Caps%2C189&amp;sr=8-1\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"The Search for the Christian Doctrine of God: The Arian Controversy, 318-381 (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">The Search for the Christian Doctrine of God: The Arian Controversy, 318-381<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><a aria-label=\"What is the Trinity? (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link ek-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.what-is-the-trinity.com\/\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>What is the Trinity?<\/strong><\/a><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-31-william-hasker-on-the-arian-controversy\/\">podcast 31 \u2013 Dr. William Hasker on the \u201cArian\u201d Controversy<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-30-the-council-of-nicea\/\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 30 \u2013 The Council of Nicea<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-29-arius\/\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 29 \u2013 Arius<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a aria-label=\"Evolution of the Trinity \u2013 with Bill Schlegel (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/evolution-of-the-trinity-with-bill-schlegel\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\"><strong>Evolution of the Trinity \u2013 with Bill Schlegel<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a aria-label=\"The Standard Opening Move (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/the-standard-opening-move\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">The Standard Opening Move<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a aria-label=\"podcast 265 \u2013 What apologists don\u2019t understand about the terms \u201cbeing\u201d and \u201cPerson\u201d (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-265-what-apologists-dont-understand-about-the-terms-being-and-person\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 265 \u2013 What apologists don\u2019t understand about the terms \u201cbeing\u201d and \u201cPerson\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a aria-label=\"Baber, &quot;The Trinity,&quot; Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/iep.utm.edu\/trinity\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">Baber, &#8220;The Trinity,&#8221; <em>Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy<\/em><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a aria-label=\"Howard-Snyder, &quot;Trinity,&quot; Routledge Encyclopedia of Philosophy (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.academia.edu\/5327437\/Trinity_2015_\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">Howard-Snyder, &#8220;Trinity,&#8221; <em>Routledge Encyclopedia of Philosophy<\/em><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a aria-label=\"Tuggy, &quot;Trinity,&quot; Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/trinity\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">Tuggy, &#8220;Trinity,&#8221; <em>Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy<\/em><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a aria-label=\"podcast 189 \u2013 The unfinished business of the Reformation (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-189-the-unfinished-business-of-the-reformation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 189 \u2013 The unfinished business of the Reformation<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a aria-label=\"podcast 260 \u2013 How to Argue that the Bible is Trinitarian (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-260-how-to-argue-that-the-bible-is-trinitarian\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 260 \u2013 How to Argue that the Bible is Trinitarian<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a aria-label=\"podcast 248 \u2013 How Trinity theories conflict with the Bible (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-248-how-trinity-theories-conflict-with-the-bible\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\"><strong>podcast 248 \u2013 How Trinity theories conflict with the Bible<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a aria-label=\"How Trinity theories conflict with the New Testament (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/how-trinity-theories-conflict-with-the-new-testament\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">How Trinity theories conflict with the New Testament<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a aria-label=\"podcast 232 \u2013 Trinity Club Orientation (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-232-trinity-club-orientation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\"><strong>podcast 232 \u2013 Trinity Club Orientation<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">John 1:29; Acts 2:22; Acts 17:31; Philippians 2:9-11; Acts 2:33<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This week&#8217;s thinking music is &#8220;<a aria-label=\"Iyanetha (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/John_Bartmann\/Public_Domain_Soundtrack_Music_Album_One\/iyanetha\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">Iyanetha<\/a>&#8221;&nbsp;by&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/John_Bartmann\/\">John Bartmann<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I have gone through all six. 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