{"id":42803,"date":"2020-10-12T19:50:10","date_gmt":"2020-10-13T00:50:10","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=42803"},"modified":"2020-10-12T19:50:17","modified_gmt":"2020-10-13T00:50:17","slug":"podcast-306-two-readings-of-mark-popular-or-esoteric-part-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-306-two-readings-of-mark-popular-or-esoteric-part-2\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 306 \u2013 Two Readings of Mark \u2013 popular or esoteric? \u2013 Part 2"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_684\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-42803-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities306.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities306.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities306.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities306.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=42803-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities306.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities306.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p>\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignright size-large is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/PXL_20201012_220056825-723x1024.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-42805\" width=\"398\" height=\"564\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/PXL_20201012_220056825-723x1024.jpg 723w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/PXL_20201012_220056825-318x450.jpg 318w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/PXL_20201012_220056825-768x1087.jpg 768w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/PXL_20201012_220056825-1085x1536.jpg 1085w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/PXL_20201012_220056825-1447x2048.jpg 1447w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/PXL_20201012_220056825-scaled.jpg 1808w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 398px) 100vw, 398px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In this episode I critique a reading of the Gospel According to Mark by Dr. Daniel Johansson in his chapter in <em><a aria-label=\"The Essential Trinity (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Essential-Trinity-Testament-Foundations-Practical-ebook\/dp\/B06XHSXHTX\/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&amp;keywords=the+essential+trinity&amp;qid=1602546457&amp;sr=8-1\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">The Essential Trinity<\/a><\/em>, edited by Brandon D. Crowe and Carl R. Trueman. I call it <strong>an \u201cesoteric\u201d reading<\/strong>, as according to it Mark sort of encodes his claim that Jesus is God via his use of the term <em>kurios <\/em>(\u201cLord\u201d), and he sneakily implies that God is triune by his portrayals of Christ and of God\u2019s spirit. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">My fundamental objection is that <strong>such a reading gets the genre of this book wrong<\/strong>, as <a aria-label=\"it is a clear and flat-footed popular writing (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-305-two-readings-of-mark-popular-or-esoteric-part-1\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">it is a clear and flat-footed popular writing<\/a>, meant to be understood by all, and is nothing like an esoteric composition. Its surface thesis that Jesus is God&#8217;s Christ <em>really is<\/em> its main thesis.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Along the way I point out that Dr. Johansson, following a lot of other &#8220;early high christology&#8221; literature, makes use of a number of <strong>unclear terms<\/strong>, some of which I even characterize as \u201cweasel words.\u201d These include,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>\u201cproto-trinitarian\u201d<\/li><li>\u201cuniquely close linking\u201d or \u201cclose association\u201d of Jesus and God<\/li><li>\u201ca trinitarian pattern in\u201d or \u201ctrinitarian contours of\u201d this gospel<\/li><li>\u201cdivine status\u201d<\/li><li>\u201cdivine figure\u201d<\/li><li>\u201can overlap between God and Jesus\u201d<\/li><li>\u201cChristological monotheism\u201d<\/li><li>Jesus being \u201cincluded in the divine identity of God\u201d<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Towards the end of the podcast I argue that Dr. Johansson <strong>ignores a famous and clear passage<\/strong> in this gospel which should count as evidence <em>against <\/em>the thesis that for Mark Jesus is God.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Is Dr. Johansson right<\/strong>, that the reader is supposed to draw conclusions about Jesus and God which are neither explicitly said, nor acknowledged by the narrator\u2019s voice, the voice of God, friendly witnesses, or hostile witnesses in this book? Or am I right, as I argued in <a aria-label=\"episode 305 (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-305-two-readings-of-mark-popular-or-esoteric-part-1\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">episode 305<\/a>, that a straightforward reading of the book is preferable to one on which the author slyly implies his most important claims?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignleft size-large is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/reading-1246520_1920-1024x683.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-42806\" width=\"467\" height=\"311\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/reading-1246520_1920-1024x683.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/reading-1246520_1920-450x300.jpg 450w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/reading-1246520_1920-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/reading-1246520_1920-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/reading-1246520_1920-930x620.jpg 930w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/reading-1246520_1920.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 467px) 100vw, 467px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-305-two-readings-of-mark-popular-or-esoteric-part-1\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"podcast 305 \u2013 Two Readings of Mark \u2013 popular or esoteric? \u2013 Part 1 (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 305 \u2013 Two Readings of Mark \u2013 popular or esoteric? \u2013 Part 1<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Crowe and Trueman (eds.) <em><a aria-label=\"The Essential Trinity (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Essential-Trinity-Testament-Foundations-Practical-ebook\/dp\/B06XHSXHTX\/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&amp;keywords=the+essential+trinity&amp;qid=1602546457&amp;sr=8-1\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\"><strong>The Essential Trinity<\/strong><\/a><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/ffg.se\/larare\/daniel-johansson\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Dr. Daniel Johansson (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">Dr. Daniel Johansson<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Johansson, \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/www.researchgate.net\/publication\/254117667_Kyrios_in_the_Gospel_of_Mark\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Kyrios in the Gospel of Mark (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\"><em>Kyrios<\/em> in the Gospel of Mark<\/a>\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Johansson, \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/journals.sagepub.com\/doi\/10.1177\/1476993X10370474\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"The Identity of Jesus in the Gospel of Mark: Past and Present Proposals (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">The Identity of Jesus in the Gospel of Mark: Past and Present Proposals<\/a>\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a aria-label=\"podcast 248 \u2013 How Trinity theories conflict with the Bible (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-248-how-trinity-theories-conflict-with-the-bible\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 248 \u2013 How Trinity theories conflict with the Bible<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-13-on-bauckhams-bargain\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"podcast 13 \u2013 On Bauckham\u2019s Bargain (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\"><strong>podcast 13 \u2013 On Bauckham\u2019s Bargain<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-213-has-bauckham-clarified-his-divine-identity-theory-part-1\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"podcast 213 \u2013 Has Bauckham clarified his \u201cdivine identity\u201d theory? \u2013 Part 1 (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 213 \u2013 Has Bauckham clarified his \u201cdivine identity\u201d theory? \u2013 Part 1<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a aria-label=\"podcast 214 \u2013 Has Bauckham clarified his \u201cdivine identity\u201d theory? \u2013 Part 2 (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-214-has-bauckham-clarified-his-divine-identity-theory-part-2\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 214 \u2013 Has Bauckham clarified his \u201cdivine identity\u201d theory? \u2013 Part 2<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/christological-rhetoric\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"A Lesson in Christological Rhetoric (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">A Lesson in Christological Rhetoric<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-124-a-challenge-to-jesus-is-god-apologists\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"podcast 124 \u2013 a challenge to \u201cJesus is God\u201d apologists (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 124 \u2013 a challenge to \u201cJesus is God\u201d apologists<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-257-a-letter-from-the-lord-jesus-about-god-and-me\/\" class=\"ek-link\"><strong>podcast 257 \u2013 A letter from the Lord Jesus: About God and Me<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-166-alvan-lamsons-on-the-doctrine-of-two-natures-in-jesus-christ-part-2\/\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 166 \u2013 Alvan Lamson\u2019s On the Doctrine of Two Natures in Jesus Christ \u2013 Part 2<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-165-alvan-lamsons-on-the-doctrine-of-two-natures-in-jesus-christ-part-1\/\">podcast 165 \u2013 Alvan Lamson\u2019s On the Doctrine of Two Natures in Jesus Christ \u2013 Part 1<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-227-who-should-christians-worship\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"podcast 227 \u2013 Who Should Christians Worship? (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 227 \u2013 Who Should Christians Worship?<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This week\u2019s thinking music is \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Josh_Woodward\/The_Wake_1790\/JoshWoodward-TheWake-NoVox-03-HollowGrove\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Hollow Grove \u2013 Instrumental Version (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">Hollow Grove \u2013 Instrumental Version<\/a>\u201d by <a href=\"https:\/\/www.joshwoodward.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Josh Woodward (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">Josh Woodward<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Does the Gospel According to Mark contain as hidden messages the deity of Christ and the Trinity?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":42805,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[37,21,16,15,6,38,47,57,13,43,53],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-42803","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-apologetics","category-bible","category-books","category-christology","category-complaints","category-monotheism","category-papers","category-podcast","category-theologians","category-unitarianism","category-worship"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/42803","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=42803"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/42803\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":42818,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/42803\/revisions\/42818"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/42805"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=42803"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=42803"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=42803"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}