{"id":42819,"date":"2020-10-19T21:55:53","date_gmt":"2020-10-20T02:55:53","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=42819"},"modified":"2020-10-19T21:55:59","modified_gmt":"2020-10-20T02:55:59","slug":"podcast-307-two-readings-of-mark-popular-or-esoteric-part-3","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-307-two-readings-of-mark-popular-or-esoteric-part-3\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 307 \u2013 Two Readings of Mark \u2013 popular or esoteric? \u2013 Part 3"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_7370\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-42819-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities307.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities307.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities307.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities307.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=42819-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities307.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities307.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p>\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignleft size-large is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Bird-Jesus-the-Eternal-Son.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-42822\" width=\"351\" height=\"468\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Bird-Jesus-the-Eternal-Son.jpg 605w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Bird-Jesus-the-Eternal-Son-338x450.jpg 338w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 351px) 100vw, 351px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In this episode I discuss and criticize what I call the <strong>&#8220;esoteric&#8221; reading of Mark defended by Dr. Michael Bird<\/strong> in his book <em>Jesus the Eternal Son: Answering Adoptionist Christology<\/em>. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Like Dr. Richard Bauckham, he argues that Mark implies in several ways <strong>that Jesus &#8220;shares the identity&#8221; of the one God<\/strong>. He makes his case based on this book&#8217;s use of the Greek word <em>kurios <\/em>(&#8220;Lord&#8221;), Jesus&#8217;s forgiving sins, some &#8220;theophanic episodes,&#8221; and Jesus&#8217;s &#8220;divine authority.&#8221; <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I explain why, to the contrary, none of this shows that Mark&#8217;s Jesus is divine in the way that the one God is divine. The argument from &#8220;Lord&#8221; is sophistical, and the author&#8217;s perspective, as with Matthew, is that God has empowered Jesus both to forgive sins, and to heal. Further, some of the &#8220;theophanic episodes&#8221; straightforwardly present God as someone else, and other of Dr. Bird&#8217;s over-readings seem to be cases of what he correctly denounces as &#8220;parallelomania.&#8221; In sum, <strong>Jesus&#8217;s &#8220;divine&#8221; authority in this book, <em>given that he is God&#8217;s Christ<\/em>, is assumed to be derived from God<\/strong>, not underived. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Unlike <a aria-label=\"the previous high christology reading of Mar (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-306-two-readings-of-mark-popular-or-esoteric-part-2\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">the previous high christology reading of Mark<\/a>, Dr. Bird directly tackles <strong>Jesus&#8217;s explicit claim in this book that he doesn&#8217;t know<\/strong> something which the Father knows. But what Dr. Bird says about it may surprise you!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I end by asking whether or not Dr. Bird is willing to admit, like some other &#8220;high christology&#8221; interpreters of Mark, that his reading is an esoteric one, featuring a clear surface message and also a hidden message. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Jesus-Eternal-Son-Adoptionist-Christology-ebook\/dp\/B079N39X68\/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&amp;keywords=Jesus+the+Eternal+Son%3A+Answering+Adoptionist+Christology&amp;qid=1603162094&amp;sr=8-1\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Jesus the Eternal Son: Answering Adoptionist Christology (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\"><strong>Jesus the Eternal Son: Answering Adoptionist Christology<\/strong><\/a><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-306-two-readings-of-mark-popular-or-esoteric-part-2\/\">podcast 306 \u2013 Two Readings of Mark \u2013 popular or esoteric? \u2013 Part 2<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-305-two-readings-of-mark-popular-or-esoteric-part-1\/\" class=\"ek-link\"><strong>podcast 305 \u2013 Two Readings of Mark \u2013 popular or esoteric? \u2013 Part 1<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-214-has-bauckham-clarified-his-divine-identity-theory-part-2\/\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 214 \u2013 Has Bauckham clarified his \u201cdivine identity\u201d theory? \u2013 Part 2<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-213-has-bauckham-clarified-his-divine-identity-theory-part-1\/\">podcast 213 \u2013 Has Bauckham clarified his \u201cdivine identity\u201d theory? \u2013 Part 1<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-13-on-bauckhams-bargain\/\" class=\"ek-link\"><strong>podcast 13 \u2013 On Bauckham\u2019s Bargain<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignright size-large is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Jesus-before-the-high-priest-1024x792.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-42823\" width=\"582\" height=\"450\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Jesus-before-the-high-priest-1024x792.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Jesus-before-the-high-priest-450x348.jpg 450w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Jesus-before-the-high-priest-768x594.jpg 768w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Jesus-before-the-high-priest-1536x1188.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Jesus-before-the-high-priest.jpg 1900w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 582px) 100vw, 582px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-271-does-your-trinity-theory-require-relative-identity\/\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 271 \u2013 Does your Trinity theory require relative identity?<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/apologetics-blind-spot-numerical-identity\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"the apologetics blind-spot on numerical identity (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">the apologetics blind-spot on numerical identity<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-130-ehrman-bird-jesus-became-god-part-3\/\">podcast 130 \u2013 Ehrman and Bird on How Jesus Became God \u2013 Part 3<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-129-ehrman-and-bird-on-how-jesus-became-god-part-2\/\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 129 \u2013 Ehrman and Bird on How Jesus Became God \u2013 Part 2<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-128-ehrman-and-bird-on-how-jesus-became-god-part-1\/\" class=\"ek-link\"><strong>podcast 128 \u2013 Ehrman and Bird on How Jesus Became God \u2013 Part 1<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-156-dr-j-r-daniel-kirk-on-a-man-attested-by-god-part-2\/\">podcast 156 \u2013 Dr. J.R. Daniel Kirk on A Man Attested by God \u2013 Part 2<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-155-dr-j-r-daniel-kirk-on-a-man-attested-by-god-part-1\/\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 155 \u2013 Dr. J.R. Daniel Kirk on A Man Attested by God \u2013 Part 1<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-226-biblical-words-for-god-and-for-his-son-part-3-post-biblical-uses-of-biblical-words-and-new-words\/\">podcast 226 \u2013 Biblical Words for God and for his Son Part 3 \u2013 post-biblical uses of biblical words, and new words<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-225-biblical-words-for-god-and-for-his-son-part-2-old-lord-vs-new-lord\/\" class=\"ek-link\"><strong>podcast 225 \u2013 Biblical Words for God and for his Son Part 2 \u2013 Old \u201cLord\u201d vs. New \u201cLord\u201d<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-224-biblical-words-for-god-and-for-his-son-part-1-god-and-god-in-the-bible\/\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 224 \u2013 Biblical Words for God and for his Son Part 1 \u2013 God and \u201cGod\u201d in the Bible<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-189-the-unfinished-business-of-the-reformation\/\">podcast 189 \u2013 The unfinished business of the Reformation<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/tuggy-vs-date-the-book-is-better\/\" target=\"_blank\">Tuggy vs. Date: the book is better<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-235-the-case-against-preexistence\/\">podcast 235 \u2013 The Case Against Preexistence<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/only-god-can-forgive-sins-false\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"\u201cOnly God can forgive sins.\u201d False. (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">\u201cOnly God can forgive sins.\u201d False.<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a aria-label=\"God and his Son: the logic of the New Testament (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/god-and-his-son-the-logic-of-the-new-testament\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\"><strong>God and his Son: the logic of the New Testament<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This week&#8217;s thinking music is &#8220;<a aria-label=\"Tree Tenants (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Revolution_Void\/The_Politics_of_Desire\/revolution_void_-_04_-_tree_tenants\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"ek-link\">Tree Tenants<\/a>&#8221; by <a aria-label=\" (opens in a new tab)\" class=\"ek-link ek-link\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Revolution_Void\/\" target=\"_blank\">Revolution Void<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Dr. Michael Bird argues that in Mark, Jesus is &#8220;included in the identity&#8221; of God. <\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":42822,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[21,16,15,6,38,9,57,13],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-42819","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-bible","category-books","category-christology","category-complaints","category-monotheism","category-philosophy","category-podcast","category-theologians"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/42819","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=42819"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/42819\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":42828,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/42819\/revisions\/42828"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/42822"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=42819"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=42819"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=42819"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}