{"id":43053,"date":"2021-02-08T16:25:39","date_gmt":"2021-02-08T22:25:39","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=43053"},"modified":"2021-02-16T09:37:06","modified_gmt":"2021-02-16T15:37:06","slug":"podcast-318-debate-with-rogers-does-mark-teach-that-jesus-is-god-part-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-318-debate-with-rogers-does-mark-teach-that-jesus-is-god-part-2\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 318 \u2013 Debate with Rogers \u2013 Does Mark teach that Jesus is God? \u2013 Part 2"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_3678\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-43053-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities318.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities318.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities318.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities318.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=43053-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities318.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities318.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p>\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignright size-large is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/debate-1-30-21-pic-2-1024x401.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-43055\" width=\"612\" height=\"239\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/debate-1-30-21-pic-2-1024x401.png 1024w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/debate-1-30-21-pic-2-450x176.png 450w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/debate-1-30-21-pic-2-768x301.png 768w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/debate-1-30-21-pic-2.png 1252w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 612px) 100vw, 612px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In this episode, the final portion of my debate with apologist Anthony Rogers. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Topics include <\/strong>what I call &#8220;the fulfillment fallacy,&#8221; the meanings of &#8220;Lord&#8221; in the New Testament, <strong>what Rogers means by saying that &#8220;Jesus is God,&#8221;<\/strong> whether or not Mark portrays Jesus as having been <strong>given authority<\/strong> by God, whether or not Mark portrays Jesus as <strong>not knowing <\/strong>certain truths, and just what the clear main thesis of Mark is.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The episode starts with our <strong>cross-examinations <\/strong>of one another, followed by some open discussion, closing statements, and Q&amp;A time. (I have edited out a question or two which overall did not add to the discussion.) <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Which side made the stronger case, and why?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Next week I&#8217;ll share some thoughts on the debate.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/a6vH3G0kf-c\" target=\"_blank\">Source video<\/a>,&nbsp;<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/channel\/UC-DJyBJlGeHvXfUXAojqL7w\" target=\"_blank\">Marlon Wilson\u2019s The Gospel Truth YouTube channel<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/qd2xiCKl8-g\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"How Anthony Rogers interprets Scripture as self-contradictory (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\"><strong>How Anthony Rogers interprets Scripture as self-contradictory<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignleft size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"403\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/debate-1-30-21-pic-7-1024x403.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-43056\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/debate-1-30-21-pic-7-1024x403.png 1024w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/debate-1-30-21-pic-7-450x177.png 450w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/debate-1-30-21-pic-7-768x302.png 768w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/debate-1-30-21-pic-7.png 1230w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-225-biblical-words-for-god-and-for-his-son-part-2-old-lord-vs-new-lord\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 225 \u2013 Biblical Words for God and for his Son Part 2 \u2013 Old \u201cLord\u201d vs. New \u201cLord\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/apologetics-blind-spot-numerical-identity\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>the apologetics blind-spot on numerical identity<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/identifying-jesus-as-yahweh-as-heresy\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">\u201cIdentifying Jesus as Yahweh\u201d as heresy<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-124-a-challenge-to-jesus-is-god-apologists\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 124 \u2013 a challenge to \u201cJesus is God\u201d apologists<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a aria-label=\"podcast 271 \u2013 Does your Trinity theory require relative identity? (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-271-does-your-trinity-theory-require-relative-identity\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\"><strong>podcast 271 \u2013 Does your Trinity theory require relative identity?<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This week&#8217;s thinking music is &#8220;<a aria-label=\"Sub Aqueonic (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Little_Glass_Men\/Simplify\/Sub_Aqueonic\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">Sub Aqueonic<\/a>&#8221;&nbsp;by&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Little_Glass_Men\">Little Glass Men<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Cross-examinations, discussion, closing statements, and audience Q&#038;A.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":43055,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[37,21,15,54,14,57,77,95,43],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-43053","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-apologetics","category-bible","category-christology","category-debates","category-history","category-podcast","category-protestant","category-uca","category-unitarianism"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/43053","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=43053"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/43053\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":43078,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/43053\/revisions\/43078"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/43055"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=43053"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=43053"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=43053"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}