{"id":43206,"date":"2021-04-19T12:56:17","date_gmt":"2021-04-19T17:56:17","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=43206"},"modified":"2021-04-19T12:56:25","modified_gmt":"2021-04-19T17:56:25","slug":"podcast-324-dr-jc-beall-the-contradictory-christ-part-1","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-324-dr-jc-beall-the-contradictory-christ-part-1\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 324 &#8211; Dr. Jc Beall &#8211; The Contradictory Christ &#8211; Part 1"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_7665\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-43206-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities324.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities324.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities324.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities324.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=43206-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities324.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities324.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p>\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignright size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"339\" height=\"550\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/beall-the-contradictory-christ-1.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-43211\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/beall-the-contradictory-christ-1.jpg 339w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/beall-the-contradictory-christ-1-277x450.jpg 277w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 339px) 100vw, 339px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In this first part of our discussion <a aria-label=\"Dr. Jc Beall (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/philosophy.nd.edu\/people\/faculty\/jc-beall\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\"><strong>Dr. Jc Beall<\/strong><\/a> from the University of Notre Dame explains some of the motivations behind <strong>his suggestion that Christ should be understood as &#8220;a contradiction&#8221; <\/strong>(i.e. a being about whom some logically contradictory statements are true). <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">We focus our discussion on what seem to be two implications of divinity and humanity. It seems that an absolutely perfect being, a fully divine being, must thereby be <strong>impeccable <\/strong>&#8211; such that in principle he can&#8217;t sin. Whereas it seems that a genuine human being must thereby be <strong>peccable <\/strong>&#8211; such that <em>in principle <\/em>one could sin. So then if Christ is both divine and human, he must be both impeccable and peccable. But could anything be both?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Many within the tradition suggest <strong>various ways to get around this and other apparent contradictions<\/strong>, ways in which a divine and human Christ <em>could be <\/em>contradiction-free after all. In this episode Dr. Beall explains why he doesn&#8217;t accept any of these consistency-preserving theories about Christ.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Topics include:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>Dr. Beall&#8217;s theological and academic background.<\/li><li>What the <strong>Council at Chalcedon<\/strong> in 451 teaches about Christ.<\/li><li>Dr. Beall&#8217;s view of the &#8220;ecumenical&#8221; councils, and their authority relative to Scripture.<\/li><li>Some reasons why it is important to think that Jesus is fully divine.<\/li><li>Why Dr. Beall doesn&#8217;t accept Dr. Timothy <strong>Pawl&#8217;s strategy<\/strong> for making a human and divine Christ consistent.<\/li><li>Why not just say that &#8220;<strong>Christ-as-divine<\/strong> is incapable of sinning, while Christ-as-human is capable of sinning&#8221;?<\/li><li>Why not just say that &#8220;Christ is <strong>impeccable-as-divine<\/strong> and that Christ is peccable-as-human&#8221;?<\/li><li>Why isn&#8217;t <strong>a &#8220;compositional&#8221; understanding<\/strong> of the two-natured Christ the best solution here?<\/li><li>Why doesn&#8217;t some <strong>&#8220;kenosis theory&#8221;<\/strong> show how it is consistent to say that Christ is both human and divine?<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Are you convinced by the objections<\/strong> to the five approaches to understanding the divinity and humanity of Christ as coherent? Why or why not?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Next time we go into Dr. Beall&#8217;s view of Christ in depth.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-flow wp-block-group-is-layout-flow\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-8f761849 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:100%\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-group\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-flow wp-block-group-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong><em><a href=\"https:\/\/oxford.universitypressscholarship.com\/view\/10.1093\/oso\/9780198852360.001.0001\/oso-9780198852360?rskey=WO9Hpn&amp;result=2\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"The Contradictory Christ (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">The Contradictory Christ<\/a><\/em> (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Contradictory-Christ-Studies-Analytic-Theology\/dp\/0198852363\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Amazon (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">Amazon<\/a>) <\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong><a aria-label=\"Dr. Beall's homepage (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"http:\/\/entailments.net\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">Dr. Beall&#8217;s homepage<\/a>, <a aria-label=\"page at Notre Dame (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/philosophy.nd.edu\/people\/faculty\/jc-beall\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">page at Notre Dame<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a aria-label=\"Maundy Thursday (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.christianity.com\/christian-life\/what-is-maundy-thursday-11628350.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">Maundy Thursday<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong><a aria-label=\"Chalcedonian Creed (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.theopedia.com\/chalcedonian-creed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">Chalcedonian Creed<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a aria-label=\"podcast 277 \u2013 Was Christ tempted in every way? (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-277-was-christ-tempted-in-every-way\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\"><strong>podcast 277 \u2013 Was Christ tempted in every way?<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-166-alvan-lamsons-on-the-doctrine-of-two-natures-in-jesus-christ-part-2\/\">podcast 166 \u2013 Alvan Lamson\u2019s On the Doctrine of Two Natures in Jesus Christ \u2013 Part 2<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-165-alvan-lamsons-on-the-doctrine-of-two-natures-in-jesus-christ-part-1\/\" class=\"ek-link\"><strong>podcast 165 \u2013 Alvan Lamson\u2019s On the Doctrine of Two Natures in Jesus Christ \u2013 Part 1<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-273-dr-timothy-pawls-in-defense-of-extended-conciliar-christology-part-2\/\">podcast 273 \u2013 Dr. Timothy Pawl\u2019s In Defense of Extended Conciliar Christology \u2013 Part 2<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-272-dr-timothy-pawls-in-defense-of-extended-conciliar-christology-part-1\/\">podcast 272 \u2013 Dr. Timothy Pawl\u2019s In Defense of Extended Conciliar Christology \u2013 Part 1<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-144-dr-timothy-pawls-defense-conciliar-christology-part-2\/\">podcast 144 \u2013 Dr. Timothy Pawl\u2019s In Defense of Conciliar Christology \u2013 Part 2<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-143-dr-timothy-pawls-in-defense-of-conciliar-christology-part-1\/\" class=\"ek-link\"><strong>podcast 143 \u2013 Dr. Timothy Pawl\u2019s In Defense of Conciliar Christology \u2013 Part 1<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Oliver Crisp, <a href=\"https:\/\/oxford.universitypressscholarship.com\/view\/10.1093\/acprof:oso\/9780199583164.001.0001\/acprof-9780199583164-chapter-3\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"&quot;Compositional Christology without Nestorianism&quot; (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">&#8220;Compositional Christology without Nestorianism&#8221;<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Philippians 2:7<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/a-reading-of-philippians-25-11\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"a reading of Philippians 2:5-11 (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">a reading of Philippians 2:5-11<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-41-stephen-t-daviss-christian-philosophical-theology\/\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 41 \u2013 Stephen T. Davis\u2019s Christian Philosophical Theology<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-40-dr-stephen-t-davis-on-christians-in-philosophy\/\">podcast 40 \u2013 Dr. Stephen T. Davis on Christians in Philosophy<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Sarah Coakley, <a aria-label=\"&quot;What Does Chalcedon Solve and What Does It Not? Some Reflections on the Status and Meaning of the Chalcedonian \u2018Definition\u2019 &quot; (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/oxford.universitypressscholarship.com\/view\/10.1093\/0199248451.001.0001\/acprof-9780199248452-chapter-7\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">&#8220;What Does Chalcedon Solve and What Does It Not? Some Reflections on the Status and Meaning of the Chalcedonian \u2018Definition\u2019 &#8220;<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a aria-label=\"Richard Cross (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/philosophy.nd.edu\/people\/faculty\/richard-cross\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">Richard Cross<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a aria-label=\"review of &quot;Exploring Kenotic Christology&quot; (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.tandfonline.com\/doi\/pdf\/10.1080\/15665399.2007.10819944\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\"><strong>review of &#8220;Exploring Kenotic Christology&#8221;<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This week&#8217;s thinking music is <a aria-label=\"&quot;Cloud Launching&quot; (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Little_Glass_Men\/Simplify\/Cloud_Launching\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">&#8220;Cloud Launching&#8221;<\/a> by <a aria-label=\"Little Glass Men (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Little_Glass_Men\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">Little Glass Men<\/a>. <\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In this episode Dr. Beall explains why he doesn&#8217;t accept five consistency-preserving ways to understand the divinity and humanity of Christ.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":43220,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[37,16,15,58,75,4,33,56,9,57,77,76],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-43206","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-apologetics","category-books","category-christology","category-creeds","category-divine-attributes","category-heresy-orthodoxy","category-incarnation","category-interview","category-philosophy","category-podcast","category-protestant","category-roman-catholicism"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/43206","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=43206"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/43206\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":43221,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/43206\/revisions\/43221"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/43220"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=43206"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=43206"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=43206"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}