{"id":43444,"date":"2021-10-25T22:28:34","date_gmt":"2021-10-26T03:28:34","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=43444"},"modified":"2021-10-25T22:28:47","modified_gmt":"2021-10-26T03:28:47","slug":"podcast-335-pastor-jeff-deubles-christ-before-creeds","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-335-pastor-jeff-deubles-christ-before-creeds\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 335 &#8211; Pastor Jeff Deuble&#8217;s Christ Before Creeds"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_8750\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-43444-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities335.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities335.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities335.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities335.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=43444-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities335.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities335.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p>\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignright size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"454\" height=\"314\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Christ-Before-Creeds.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-43445\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Christ-Before-Creeds.jpg 454w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Christ-Before-Creeds-450x311.jpg 450w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 454px) 100vw, 454px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">As a life-long <strong>Church of Christ<\/strong> member and a long-time pastor, Jeff Deuble had a Bible-centered faith, endorsing such slogans as &#8220;No creed but Christ,&#8221; &#8220;Where the Scriptures speak, we speak; where the Scriptures are silent, we&#8217;re silent,&#8221; &#8220;Bible things by Bible names,&#8221; &#8220;We&#8217;re Christians only, not the only Christians,&#8221; and <strong>&#8220;In essentials, unity; in non-essentials liberty; in all things, love.&#8221;<\/strong> <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">But what <em>is <\/em>essential to Christian teaching according the Bible? One day Jeff Deuble&#8217;s older brother told him that he thought Jesus is the Son of God, but not God the Son. Why? Because in his view, this is what the Bible teaches, as against later traditions.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">A lifelong Christian, Pastor Deuble was <strong>shocked and horrified<\/strong>. Haven&#8217;t basically all Christians always believed that Jesus is God the Son, one of three &#8220;divine Persons&#8221; in the triune God? This started off <strong>a scriptural investigation of some 12 years<\/strong>, and the theological change which Pastor Deuble explains in this readable, charitable, and engaging new book. He has come to see &#8220;the Trinity&#8221; and &#8220;the deity of Christ&#8221; as <em>not <\/em>essential according to Scripture. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Is he right?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The <strong>three other interviews below<\/strong> are complimentary to this one; be sure to check them out if you&#8217;d like to hear more from Pastor Deuble before delving into the book. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignright size-large is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/duck-rabbit-2-1024x768.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-43451\" width=\"383\" height=\"287\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/duck-rabbit-2-1024x768.png 1024w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/duck-rabbit-2-450x338.png 450w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/duck-rabbit-2-768x576.png 768w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/duck-rabbit-2-1536x1152.png 1536w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/duck-rabbit-2.png 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 383px) 100vw, 383px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignright size-large is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/duck-rabbit-1-1024x768.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-43449\" width=\"2\" height=\"1\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/duck-rabbit-1-1024x768.png 1024w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/duck-rabbit-1-450x338.png 450w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/duck-rabbit-1-150x150.png 150w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/duck-rabbit-1-768x576.png 768w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/duck-rabbit-1-1536x1152.png 1536w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/duck-rabbit-1-930x620.png 930w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/duck-rabbit-1.png 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2px) 100vw, 2px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong><em><a href=\"https:\/\/lhim.org\/christ-before-creeds\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Christ Before Creeds (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">Christ Before Creeds<\/a> <\/em>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Christ-Before-Creeds-Rediscovering-History\/dp\/173691801X\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Amazon (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">Amazon<\/a>)<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/EccLoLWDN9I\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Christ Before Creeds - Dale Tuggy, Sean Finnegan, Anna Brown &amp; Jeff Deuble (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\"><em>Christ Before Creeds<\/em> &#8211; Dale Tuggy, Sean Finnegan, Anna Brown &amp; Jeff Deuble<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/restitutio.org\/2020\/11\/19\/366-who-was-christ-before-the-creeds-jeff-deuble\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Restitutio 366 Who Was Christ before the Creeds? (Jeff Deubl (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">Restitutio 366 Who Was Christ before the Creeds? (Jeff Deubl<\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/restitutio.org\/2020\/11\/19\/366-who-was-christ-before-the-creeds-jeff-deuble\/\" class=\"ek-link\">e)<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a aria-label=\"Restitutio 408 Christ before Creeds Book (Jeff Deuble)  (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/restitutio.org\/2021\/09\/09\/408-christ-before-creeds-book-jeff-deuble\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">Restitutio 408 Christ before Creeds Book (Jeff Deuble)<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/restitutio.org\/2018\/12\/27\/interview-49-they-never-told-me-this-in-church-greg-deuble\/\" class=\"ek-link\">Restitutio Interview 49 They Never Told Me This in Church (Greg Deuble)<\/a> <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/three-recent-whistleblowers\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Three recent whistleblowers (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\"><strong>Three recent whistleblowers<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-332-emlyns-humble-inquiry\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"podcast 332 \u2013 Emlyn\u2019s Humble Inquiry (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 332 \u2013 Emlyn\u2019s Humble Inquiry<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-22-a-cure-for-odium-theologicum\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"podcast 22 \u2013 a cure for odium theologicum (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 22 \u2013 a cure for odium theologicum<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-334-who-do-you-say-i-am\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"podcast 334 \u2013 \u201cWho do you say I am?\u201d (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\"><strong>podcast 334 \u2013 \u201cWho do you say I am?\u201d<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/10-steps-towards-getting-less-confused-about-the-trinity-8-trinity-vs-trinity\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"10 steps towards getting less confused about the Trinity \u2013 #8 \u2013 trinity vs. Trinity (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">10 steps towards getting less confused about the Trinity \u2013 #8 \u2013 trinity vs. Trinity<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/the-tuggy-brown-debate-dales-opening-statement\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"The Tuggy-Brown debate: Dale\u2019s opening statement (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">The Tuggy-Brown debate: Dale\u2019s opening statement<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-302-the-stages-of-trinitarian-commitment\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"podcast 302 \u2013 The Stages of Trinitarian Commitment (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\"><strong>podcast 302 \u2013 The Stages of Trinitarian Commitment<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-108-dr-robert-m-bowman-jr-on-triadic-new-testament-passages-part-2\/\">podcast 108 \u2013 Dr. Robert M. Bowman Jr. on triadic New Testament passages \u2013 part 2<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-107-dr-robert-m-bowman-jr-on-triadic-new-testament-passages-part-1\/\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 107 \u2013 Dr. Robert M. Bowman Jr. on triadic New Testament passages \u2013 part 1<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?s=essential+gospel+according+to+luke\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"What is essential to the gospel, according to Luke? (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">What is essential to the gospel, according to Luke?<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-224-biblical-words-for-god-and-for-his-son-part-1-god-and-god-in-the-bible\/\">podcast 224 \u2013 Biblical Words for God and for his Son Part 1 \u2013 God and \u201cGod\u201d in the Bible<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-191-wares-outline-of-the-testimony-of-scripture-against-the-trinity\/\" class=\"ek-link\"><strong>podcast 191 \u2013 Ware\u2019s Outline of the Testimony of Scripture Against the Trinity<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-189-the-unfinished-business-of-the-reformation\/\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 189 \u2013 The unfinished business of the Reformation<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-285-does-the-bible-teach-that-god-is-a-trinity-cole-tuggy-dialogue-part-4\/\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 285 \u2013 Does the Bible Teach that God is a Trinity? Cole-Tuggy Dialogue \u2013 Part 4<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-284-does-the-bible-teach-that-god-is-a-trinity-cole-tuggy-dialogue-part-3\/\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 284 \u2013 Does the Bible Teach that God is a Trinity? Cole-Tuggy Dialogue \u2013 Part 3<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-283-does-the-bible-teach-that-god-is-a-trinity-cole-tuggy-dialogue-part-2\/\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 283 \u2013 Does the Bible Teach that God is a Trinity? Cole-Tuggy Dialogue \u2013 Part 2<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-282-does-the-bible-teach-that-god-is-a-trinity-cole-tuggy-dialogue-part-1\/\">podcast 282 \u2013 Does the Bible Teach that God is a Trinity? Cole-Tuggy Dialogue \u2013 Part 1<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-286-is-the-trinity-essential-three-views\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"podcast 286 \u2013 Is the Trinity Essential? \u2013 Three Views (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\"><strong>podcast 286 \u2013 Is the Trinity Essential? \u2013 Three Views<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This week\u2019s thinking music is \u201c<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/dig.ccmixter.org\/files\/airtone\/59721\" target=\"_blank\">reCreation<\/a>\u201d by <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/dig.ccmixter.org\/people\/airtone\" target=\"_blank\">airtone<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>&#8220;In essentials, unity; in non-essentials liberty; in all things, love.&#8221; So far, so good. 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