{"id":43714,"date":"2022-03-01T21:22:13","date_gmt":"2022-03-02T03:22:13","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=43714"},"modified":"2022-03-01T21:38:13","modified_gmt":"2022-03-02T03:38:13","slug":"podcast-345-is-jesus-still-a-man-part-1","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-345-is-jesus-still-a-man-part-1\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 345 &#8211; Is Jesus still a man? &#8211; Part 1"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_1210\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-43714-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities345.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities345.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities345.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities345.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=43714-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities345.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities345.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p>\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignleft size-large is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/hamsandwich-g3f5607b16_1920-1024x499.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-43721\" width=\"460\" height=\"224\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/hamsandwich-g3f5607b16_1920-1024x499.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/hamsandwich-g3f5607b16_1920-450x219.jpg 450w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/hamsandwich-g3f5607b16_1920-768x375.jpg 768w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/hamsandwich-g3f5607b16_1920.jpg 1499w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 460px) 100vw, 460px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">A few months ago <strong>a podcast listener<\/strong> wrote me a long email arguing that <em>clearly<\/em>, according to the New Testament, the risen and exalted Lord Jesus is <strong>no longer human<\/strong>, but is instead divine. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In this <strong>first part of my reply<\/strong> I lay the groundwork for my response in part 2, where I&#8217;ll interact with his arguments and proof-texts. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">First I explain why, in general, knowledge of <strong>Philosophy is helpful <\/strong>for theology and for interpretation of the Bible, and point out that philosophical issues and assumptions are <strong>unavoidable<\/strong>. I counter a common sentiment that &#8220;Philosophy&#8221; is only a corrupting and unfortunate and &#8220;pagan&#8221; thing. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I then explain<strong> two importantly different ways to understand the terms &#8220;divine&#8221; and &#8220;human&#8221;<\/strong> &#8211; these can mean mere conditions or status (in technical lingo, &#8220;accidental&#8221; properties) or they might mean essences\/natures (aka all of some kind of thing&#8217;s &#8220;essential properties&#8221;). I explain these two interpretations, and then argue that <strong>we should, for general metaphysical reasons, believe that there <em>are <\/em>kind-essences<\/strong>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I also explain different uses in theology of the words &#8220;nature&#8221; and &#8220;god&#8221; in Christian theology, also making use of the <strong>deity\/god distinction <\/strong>explained in some of my previous work.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignright size-full is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/apples-1853249.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-43722\" width=\"313\" height=\"313\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/apples-1853249.jpg 448w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/apples-1853249-150x150.jpg 150w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 313px) 100vw, 313px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/philosophy.fsu.edu\/undergraduate-study\/why-philosophy\/What-is-Philosophy\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"What is Philosophy? (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">What is Philosophy?<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a aria-label=\"Divine simplicity (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"http:\/\/The Doctrine of Divine Simplicity\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\"><strong>Divine simplicity<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/5gTHUFWAvdnwongHiP9Qpv\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"The Reluctant Theologian Podcast (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">The Reluctant Theologian Podcast<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-334-who-do-you-say-i-am\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"podcast 334 \u2013 \u201cWho do you say I am?\u201d (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\"><strong>podcast 334 \u2013 \u201cWho do you say I am?\u201d<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-344-craigs-contradictory-christ-part-2\/\">podcast 344 \u2013 Craig\u2019s Contradictory Christ \u2013 Part 2<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-343-craigs-contradictory-christ-part-1\/\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 343 \u2013 Craig\u2019s Contradictory Christ \u2013 Part 1<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-59-dr-carl-mosser-on-salvation-as-deification\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"podcast 59 \u2013 Dr. Carl Mosser on salvation as deification (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\"><strong>podcast 59 \u2013 Dr. Carl Mosser on salvation as deification<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-60-dr-carl-mosser-on-deification-in-the-bible\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"podcast 60 \u2013 Dr. Carl Mosser on deification in the Bible (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 60 \u2013 Dr. Carl Mosser on deification in the Bible<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/omnipotence\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"omnipotence (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">omnipotence<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/ojs.uclouvain.be\/index.php\/theologica\/article\/view\/153\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"&quot;On counting gods&quot; (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\"><strong>&#8220;On counting gods&#8221;<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-164-on-counting-gods\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"podcast 164 \u2013 On Counting Gods (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 164 \u2013 On Counting Gods<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Jesus-Divine-Essential-Christian-Debates\/dp\/1946971804\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Is Jesus Human and Not Divine? (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">Is Jesus Human and Not Divine?<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-264-tuggy-vs-date-debate-jesus-is-human-and-not-divine-part-2\/\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 264 \u2013 Tuggy vs. Date debate \u2013 Jesus is human and not divine \u2013 Part 2<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-263-tuggy-vs-date-debate-jesus-is-human-and-not-divine-part-1\/\">podcast 263 \u2013 Tuggy vs. Date debate \u2013 Jesus is human and not divine \u2013 Part 1<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/letter\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"A letter from the Lord Jesus: About God and Me (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\"><strong>A letter from the Lord Jesus: About God and Me<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This week&#8217;s thinking music is &#8220;<a aria-label=\"Bluenotation (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"http:\/\/ccmixter.org\/files\/Haskel\/64588\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">Bluenotation<\/a>&#8221; by <a aria-label=\"Ezra Skul (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"http:\/\/ccmixter.org\/files\/Haskel\/64588\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">Ezra Sku<\/a><a aria-label=\"Ezra Skul (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"http:\/\/ccmixter.org\/files\/Haskel\/64588\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">l<\/a><a aria-label=\"Ezra Skul (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"http:\/\/ccmixter.org\/files\/Haskel\/64588\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">l<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>At his resurrection and ascension, was Jesus promoted from humanity to divinity? 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