{"id":43731,"date":"2022-03-09T20:16:52","date_gmt":"2022-03-10T02:16:52","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=43731"},"modified":"2022-03-09T20:16:56","modified_gmt":"2022-03-10T02:16:56","slug":"podcast-346-is-jesus-still-a-man-part-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-346-is-jesus-still-a-man-part-2\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 346 \u2013 Is Jesus still a man? \u2013 Part 2"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_1534\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-43731-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities346.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities346.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities346.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities346.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=43731-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities346.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities346.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p>\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignleft size-full is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/sprout-4930595_1920.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-43739\" width=\"507\" height=\"342\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/sprout-4930595_1920.jpg 572w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/sprout-4930595_1920-450x304.jpg 450w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 507px) 100vw, 507px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Does the New Testament teach<\/strong> that when God raised and exalted the Lord Jesus, this changed Jesus from being human to being divine? <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">There&#8217;s at least one passage in Paul&#8217;s letters which at first glance sounds like this, and this view is held by some unitarian Christians. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In this episode I answer an <strong>email from listener Corey<\/strong> in which he argues that certain texts clearly teach that Jesus is no longer human, but is instead divine.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>I discuss the texts he cites<\/strong>, and I again make use of the god-deity distinction discussed last time, and point out a crucial ambiguity in the terms <strong>&#8220;humanity&#8221; and &#8220;divinity.&#8221;<\/strong> Are these supposed to be essences\/natures, or mere statuses\/accidental properties? It is going to matter when we ask whether or not Jesus is still human! <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Here are <strong>some rough definitions of the key terms<\/strong> discussed in this and in the last episode, and some clear implications of these terms, as I discuss them at the end of this episode.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>deity: a very powerful self whose powers exceed those of the natural realm. <\/li><li>god: a necessarily unique deity who is the ultimate source of everything else there is. <\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">By definition, any god is a deity, but by the definitions at most one deity can be a god.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>Divine <strong>status <\/strong>&#8211; being an immortal being who enjoys much greater powers than the humans we see around us now.<\/li><li>Human status &#8211; having the sorts of limitations we see in the humans alive now (other than Christ). <\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Or perhaps one may stipulate that by &#8220;divine status&#8221; one means instead this:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>Divine status &#8211; whatever condition it is which is now enjoyed by the exalted Jesus and which will be enjoyed by resurrected believers in the future.<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>By the definitions<\/strong>, having human status implies not having divine status, and divine statues implies not having human status. On the first definition of &#8220;divine status&#8221; above, nowadays both God and Jesus will have it, but on the second definition, the exalted Jesus but not God would enjoy &#8220;divine status.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">We must distinguish &#8220;divinity&#8221; and &#8220;humanity&#8221; as involving statuses from these important ideas:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>Divine <strong>essence <\/strong>&#8211; the property or properties in virtue of which their owner is a god. <\/li><li>Human essence &#8211; the property or properties in virtue of which their owner is a human being. <\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Because these are by definition kind-essences, nothing can gain or lose them without coming into existence or going out of existence. Thus, if Jesus ever had human <em>essence<\/em>, then he continues to have it now. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And because of the properties involved, in principle nothing could either gain or lose <em>divine <\/em>essence, nor could a thing have it because of something else. Thus, it <em>can&#8217;t<\/em> be that God has awarded Jesus with divine essence.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Because of the properties involved (see podcasts <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-343-craigs-contradictory-christ-part-1\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"343 (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">343<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-344-craigs-contradictory-christ-part-2\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"344 (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">344<\/a> or  <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-263-tuggy-vs-date-debate-jesus-is-human-and-not-divine-part-1\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"263 (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">263<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-264-tuggy-vs-date-debate-jesus-is-human-and-not-divine-part-2\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"264 (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">264<\/a>), if anyone has divine essence then it follows that they lack human essence, and if anyone has human essence then they lack divine essence. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Having heard both sides, do you affirm or deny that Jesus is no longer human?<\/strong> Let us know in a comment below.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignright size-large is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/ascension-of-christ-1990556_1920-1024x561.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-43740\" width=\"606\" height=\"331\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/ascension-of-christ-1990556_1920-1024x561.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/ascension-of-christ-1990556_1920-450x246.jpg 450w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/ascension-of-christ-1990556_1920-768x421.jpg 768w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/ascension-of-christ-1990556_1920-1536x841.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/ascension-of-christ-1990556_1920.jpg 1855w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 606px) 100vw, 606px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.revisedenglishversion.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Revised English Version (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\"><strong>Revised English Version<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">1 Corinthians 15:35-58;  1 Corinthians 15:44; <a aria-label=\"REV comment on 1 Cor (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.revisedenglishversion.com\/1-Corinthians\/chapter15\/45\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">REV comment on 1 Cor 15:45<\/a>; 2 Peter 1:4; 1 John 3:2; Hebrews 1:3; Genesis 1:26-27; John 14:7-10; Galatians 1:1; Galatians 1:11-12; Galatians 1:15-17. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a aria-label=\"podcast 145 \u2013 \u2018Tis Mystery All: the Immortal dies! (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-145-tis-mystery-immortal-dies\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 145 \u2013 \u2018Tis Mystery All: the Immortal dies!<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This week&#8217;s thinking music is &#8220;<a aria-label=\"lostTra (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"http:\/\/dig.ccmixter.org\/files\/airtone\/64772\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">lostTrack<\/a>&#8221; by <a aria-label=\"airton (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"http:\/\/dig.ccmixter.org\/people\/airtone\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">airton<\/a>e.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Does the New Testament teach that Jesus&#8217; exaltation changed him from human to divine?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":43739,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[21,15,98,99,9,57,43],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-43731","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-bible","category-christology","category-jehovahs-witnesses","category-listener-questions","category-philosophy","category-podcast","category-unitarianism"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/43731","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=43731"}],"version-history":[{"count":10,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/43731\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":43750,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/43731\/revisions\/43750"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/43739"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=43731"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=43731"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=43731"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}