{"id":43899,"date":"2022-08-16T21:14:44","date_gmt":"2022-08-17T02:14:44","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=43899"},"modified":"2022-08-16T21:19:50","modified_gmt":"2022-08-17T02:19:50","slug":"podcast-353-should-christians-accept-the-trinity","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-353-should-christians-accept-the-trinity\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 353 &#8211; Should Christians Accept the Trinity?"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_5469\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-43899-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities353.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities353.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities353.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities353.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=43899-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities353.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities353.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In this episode theologian <strong>Dr. Randal Rauser interviews me<\/strong> for his YouTube channel (original video below), asking good and tough questions. He inquires about my theological views and how I came to them, and why I think Christians who accept the authority of the New Testament should re-examine their assumptions about traditional triune-God speculations. We discuss the <strong>true humanity of Jesus, his being called &#8220;God&#8221;<\/strong> in a few New Testament passages, common arguments that some Trinity theory is implied by <strong>Scripture<\/strong>, the pattern of <strong>worship <\/strong>we see in the New Testament, how becoming unitarian in my theology has impacted my own spiritual life, Jesus&#8217; faith in God, the concept of <strong>heresy<\/strong>, saving faith, ongoing reformation, <strong>historical unitarian Christians<\/strong>, &#8220;mystery&#8221; defenses of problematic dogmas, the implosion of 19th c. American unitarianism, and a providential argument that some sort of Trinity theory must be true. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<div class=\"nv-iframe-embed\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Should Christians Accept the Trinity? A Conversation with Dale Tuggy\" width=\"1200\" height=\"675\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/esarCM1vmps?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/div>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/user\/RDRauser\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Dr. Rauser's YouTube channel (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">Dr. Rauser&#8217;s YouTube channel<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a aria-label=\"Dr. Rauser's blog (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/randalrauser.com\/blog\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\"><strong>Dr. Rauser&#8217;s blog<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.what-is-the-trinity.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"What is the Trinity? (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">What is the Trinity?<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Jesus-Divine-Essential-Christian-Debates\/dp\/1946971804\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Is Jesus Human and Not Divine? (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">Is Jesus Human and Not Divine?<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?s=evolution+of+my+views\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"the evolution of my views on the Trinity (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">the evolution of my views on the Trinity<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/trinity\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"&quot;Trinity,&quot; Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">&#8220;Trinity,&#8221; <em>Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy<\/em><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-189-the-unfinished-business-of-the-reformation\/\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 189 \u2013 The unfinished business of the Reformation<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-189-the-unfinished-business-of-the-reformation\/\" class=\"ek-link\"><strong>podcast 334 \u2013 \u201cWho do you say I am?\u201d<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-191-wares-outline-of-the-testimony-of-scripture-against-the-trinity\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"podcast 191 \u2013 Ware\u2019s Outline of the Testimony of Scripture Against the Trinity (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 191 \u2013 Ware\u2019s Outline of the Testimony of Scripture Against the Trinity<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/the-tuggy-brown-debate-dales-opening-statement\/\" target=\"_blank\">The Tuggy-Brown debate: Dale\u2019s opening statement<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Radical-Reformation-Sixteenth-Century-Studies\/dp\/0940474158\/\" class=\"ek-link\">Williams, <em>The Radical Reformation<\/em><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Harris, <em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Jesus-God-Testament-Theos-Reference\/dp\/160608108X\/\" class=\"ek-link\">Jesus as God<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-167-lamsons-history-of-the-unitarian-congregationalists\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"podcast 167 \u2013 Lamson\u2019s History of The Unitarian Congregationalists (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 167 \u2013 Lamson\u2019s History of The Unitarian Congregationalists<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-168-the-death-of-unitarian-congregationalism\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"podcast 168 \u2013 The Death of Unitarian Congregationalism (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 168 \u2013 The Death of Unitarian Congregationalism<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-144-dr-timothy-pawls-defense-conciliar-christology-part-2\/\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 144 \u2013 Dr. Timothy Pawl\u2019s In Defense of Conciliar Christology \u2013 Part 2<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-143-dr-timothy-pawls-in-defense-of-conciliar-christology-part-1\/\">podcast 143 \u2013 Dr. Timothy Pawl\u2019s In Defense of Conciliar Christology \u2013 Part 1<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-270-origens-one-god\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"podcast 270 \u2013 Origen\u2019s \u201cone God\u201d (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 270 \u2013 Origen\u2019s \u201cone God\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-26-pastor-sean-finnegan-on-the-holy-spirit-part-2\/\">podcast 26 \u2013 Pastor Sean Finnegan on \u201cthe Holy Spirit\u201d \u2013 Part 2<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-25-pastor-sean-finnegan-about-the-holy-spirit-part-1\/\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 25 \u2013 Pastor Sean Finnegan on \u201cthe Holy Spirit\u201d \u2013 Part 1<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-108-dr-robert-m-bowman-jr-on-triadic-new-testament-passages-part-2\/\">podcast 108 \u2013 Dr. Robert M. Bowman Jr. on triadic New Testament passages \u2013 part 2<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-107-dr-robert-m-bowman-jr-on-triadic-new-testament-passages-part-1\/\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 107 \u2013 Dr. Robert M. Bowman Jr. on triadic New Testament passages \u2013 part 1<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a aria-label=\"podcast 260 \u2013 How to Argue that the Bible is Trinitarian (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-260-how-to-argue-that-the-bible-is-trinitarian\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\"><strong>podcast 260 \u2013 How to Argue that the Bible is Trinitarian<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-227-who-should-christians-worship\/\">podcast 227 \u2013 Who Should Christians Worship?<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-176-photinus-of-sirmium\/\">podcast 176 \u2013 Photinus of Sirmium<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/john-biddles-unitarian-confession-of-the-holy-trinity-dale\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"John Biddle\u2019s unitarian confession of the Holy Trinity (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">John Biddle\u2019s unitarian confession of the Holy Trinity<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-286-is-the-trinity-essential-three-views\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"podcast 286 \u2013 Is the Trinity Essential? \u2013 Three Views (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\"><strong>podcast 286 \u2013 Is the Trinity Essential? \u2013 Three Views<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-85-heretic-four-approaches-to-dropping-h-bombs\/\">podcast 85 \u2013 Heretic! Four Approaches to Dropping H-Bombs<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-53-john-lockes-the-reasonableness-of-christianity-part-2\/\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 53 \u2013 John Locke\u2019s The Reasonableness of Christianity, Part 2<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-52-john-lockes-the-reasonableness-of-christianity-part-1\/\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 52 \u2013 John Locke\u2019s The Reasonableness of Christianity, Part 1<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-146-jesus-exemplar-faith-new-testament\/\" class=\"ek-link\"><strong>podcast 146 \u2013 Jesus as an Exemplar of Faith in the New Testament<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-148-dr-daniel-mckaughan-on-faith-part-2\/\">podcast 148 \u2013 Dr. Daniel McKaughan on faith \u2013 Part 2<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-147-dr-daniel-mckaughan-on-faith-part-1\/\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 147 \u2013 Dr. Daniel McKaughan on faith \u2013 Part 1<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/hgcnashville.org\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Higher Ground Church (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">Higher Ground Church<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a aria-label=\"Church of God General Conference (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/coggc.org\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">Church of God General Conference<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.christiandiscipleschurch.org\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Christian Disciples Church (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">Christian Disciples Church<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/lhim.org\/\" class=\"ek-link\">Living Hope International Ministries<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/compasslou.org\/index.html#\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Compass Christian Church (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">Compass Christian Church<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.unitarianchristianalliance.org\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Unitarian Christian Alliance (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\"><strong>Unitarian Christian Alliance<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/restitutio.org\/2018\/04\/05\/interview-31-masters-seminary-prof-finds-son-of-god-loses-job-bill-schlegel\/\" class=\"ek-link\"><strong>Restitutio Interview 31: Master\u2019s University Prof. Finds Son of God, Loses Job (Bill Schlegel)<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-309-channings-unitarian-christianity-part-2\/\">podcast 309 \u2013 Channing\u2019s \u201cUnitarian Christianity\u201d \u2013 Part 2<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-308-channings-unitarian-christianity-part-1\/\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 308 \u2013 Channing\u2019s \u201cUnitarian Christianity\u201d \u2013 Part 1<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Matthew 28:19-20; Ephesians 4:4-6; 1 John 5:7-8 (Wallace, &#8220;<a aria-label=\"The Textual Problem in 1 John 5:7-8 (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/bible.org\/article\/textual-problem-1-john-57-8\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">The Textual Problem in 1 John 5:7-8<\/a>&#8220;); Hebrews 1:8-9; John 10:22-39; Phil 2:5-11; Revelation 4; Revelation 5; John 16:13; Acts 2; Acts 3:13; Acts 5:30; Acts 24:14; John 8:40; John 20:30-31; Mathew 16:16; Luke 4:14-30; 2 Corinthians 5:19; John 14:10.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This week&#8217;s thinking music is &#8220;<a aria-label=\"ukeSounds (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"http:\/\/dig.ccmixter.org\/files\/airtone\/32655\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">ukeSounds<\/a>&#8221; by <a aria-label=\"airtone (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"http:\/\/dig.ccmixter.org\/files\/airtone\/32655\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">airtone<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Is the question absurd? 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