{"id":43925,"date":"2022-09-19T22:55:24","date_gmt":"2022-09-20T03:55:24","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=43925"},"modified":"2022-09-19T22:55:30","modified_gmt":"2022-09-20T03:55:30","slug":"podcast-354-dr-steven-nemes-on-trinity-theories-part-1","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-354-dr-steven-nemes-on-trinity-theories-part-1\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 354 \u2013 Dr. Steven Nemes on Trinity theories &#8211; Part 1"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_6001\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-43925-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities354.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities354.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities354.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities354.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=43925-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities354.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities354.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"alignright size-large is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Dr-Steven-Nemes-1024x778.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-43945\" width=\"416\" height=\"316\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Dr-Steven-Nemes-1024x778.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Dr-Steven-Nemes-450x342.jpg 450w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Dr-Steven-Nemes-768x584.jpg 768w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Dr-Steven-Nemes.jpg 1530w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 416px) 100vw, 416px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Twitter is my favorite social media site. <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/DaleTuggy\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"I enjoy (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">I enjoy<\/a> <em>short <\/em>social media posts, and series of short posts. It&#8217;s a good place for the opinionated to hold forth <em>briefly<\/em>. As they say, brevity is the soul of wit.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Recently I noticed <strong>an interesting and insightful thread, a series of tweets<\/strong>, on &#8220;the doctrine of the Trinity&#8221; by analytic theologian <strong>Dr. Steven Nemes<\/strong>. I thought, &#8220;This is worth a conversation!&#8221; <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In this and the next episode, you&#8217;ll hear that conversation. Dr. Nemes and I do, in the course of our conversation, deviate from the subject of<strong> Trinity theories<\/strong>. In this episode you&#8217;ll also hear about the relationship between God and the cosmos, appeals to &#8220;mystery,&#8221; &#8220;the doctrine of the Trinity&#8221; as a shibboleth, claims that there is no good anology for the Trinity, why Dr. Nemes is not opposed to &#8220;the doctrine of the Trinity&#8221; but is opposed to its being mandatory, and his general approach to Christian theologies.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/stevennemes.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Dr. Nemes's website (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\"><strong>Dr. Nemes&#8217;s website<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/snemes2\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Dr. Nemes @ Twitter (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">Dr. Nemes @ Twitter<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/snemes2\/status\/1555557262751440896\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Dr. Nemes's Tweet thread which inspired this and the next episode. (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\"><strong>Dr. Nemes&#8217;s Tweet thread which inspired this and the next episode.<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a aria-label=\"\u201cWords of Life\u201d with Dr. Steven Nemes @ YouTube (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/c\/drstevennemes\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">\u201cWords of Life\u201d with Dr. Steven Nemes @ YouTube<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/podtail.com\/podcast\/the-reluctant-theologian-podcast\/ep-80-the-phenomenology-of-scripture-with-steven-n\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"The Reluctant Theologian Episode 80: The Phenomenology of Scripture with Steven Nemes (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">The Reluctant Theologian Episode 80: The Phenomenology of Scripture with Steven Nemes<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">William Vallicella, <em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Paradigm-Theory-Existence-Onto-Theology-Philosophical-ebook\/dp\/B000W662EA\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"A Paradigm Theory of Existence: Onto-Theology Vindicated (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">A Paradigm Theory of Existence: Onto-Theology Vindicated<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-84-dr-william-vallicella-on-god-and-existence\/\">podcast 84 \u2013 Dr. William Vallicella on Existence and God<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-83-the-spiritual-journey-of-a-maverick-philosopher\/\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 83 \u2013 The Spiritual Journey of a Maverick Philosopher<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Moltmann,<em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Crucified-God-Jurgen-Moltmann\/dp\/150640295X\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\" The Crucified God (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\"> The Crucified God<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a aria-label=\"Ulrich Zwingli or Huldrych Zwingli (1484 \u20131531) (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.newworldencyclopedia.org\/entry\/Ulrich_Zwingli\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\"><strong>Ulrich Zwingli, a.k.a. Huldrych Zwingli (1484 \u20131531)<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.newworldencyclopedia.org\/entry\/Adolf_Harnack\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Adolf von Harnack (1851\u20131930) (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">Adolf von Harnack (1851\u20131930)<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a aria-label=\"Michel Henry (1922\u20132002) (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/michel-henry\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">Michel Henry (1922\u20132002)<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-31-william-hasker-on-the-arian-controversy\/\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 31 \u2013 Dr. William Hasker on the \u201cArian\u201d Controversy<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-30-the-council-of-nicea\/\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 30 \u2013 The Council of Nicea<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-29-arius\/\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 29 \u2013 Arius<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-28-interview-with-dr-william-hasker-about-his-metaphysics-and-the-tripersonal-god-part-2\/\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 28 \u2013 Interview with Dr. William Hasker about his Metaphysics and the Tripersonal God \u2013 Part 2<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-27-interview-with-dr-william-hasker-about-his-metaphysics-and-the-tripersonal-god-part-1\/\">podcast 27 \u2013 Interview with Dr. William Hasker about his Metaphysics and the Tripersonal God \u2013 Part 1<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/the-standard-opening-move\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"The Standard Opening Move (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\"><strong>The Standard Opening Move<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Augustine, <em><a aria-label=\"On the Trinity (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Trinity-2nd-Works-Saint-Augustine\/dp\/1565484460\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">On the Trinity<\/a><\/em> (<a aria-label=\"@SEP (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/trinity\/trinity-history.html#Aug\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">@SEP<\/a>)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a aria-label=\"John of Damascus (c. 676\u2013749) (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.newworldencyclopedia.org\/entry\/John_of_Damascus\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\"><strong>John of Damascus (c. 676\u2013749)<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.newworldencyclopedia.org\/entry\/Karl_Barth\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Karl Barth (1886\u20131968) (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">Karl Barth (1886\u20131968)<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a aria-label=\"When and How in the History of Theology Did the Triune God Replace the Father as the Only True God? (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/when-and-how-in-the-history-of-theology-did-the-triune-god-replace-the-father-as-the-only-true-god\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">When and How in the History of Theology Did the Triune God Replace the Father as the Only True God?<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/uni-tuebingen.academia.edu\/VladimirLatinovic?swp=tc-au-19029662\" class=\"ek-link\">Vladimir Latinovic<\/a>, &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.academia.edu\/19029662\/Arius_Conservativus_The_Question_of_Arius_Theological_Belonging\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Arius Conservativus? The Question of Arius\u2019 Theological Belonging (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">Arius Conservativus? The Question of Arius\u2019 Theological Belonging<\/a>&#8220;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Mark Edwards, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Catholicity-Heresy-Early-Church-Edwards-ebook\/dp\/B00CJD3BNO\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Catholicity and Heresy in the Early Church (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\"><em>Catholicity and Heresy in the Early Church<\/em><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.wordnik.com\/words\/shibboleth\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"shiboleth (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">shiboleth<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-232-trinity-club-orientation\/\" class=\"ek-link\"><strong>podcast 232 \u2013 Trinity Club Orientation<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Robert Sokolowski, <em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/God-Faith-Reason-Foundations-Christian\/dp\/0813208270\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"The God of Faith and Reason: Foundations of Christian Theology (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">The God of Faith and Reason: Foundations of Christian Theology<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a aria-label=\"panentheism (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/panentheism\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\"><strong>panentheism<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/occasionalism\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"occasionalism (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">occasionalism<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Feser, &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.thepublicdiscourse.com\/2022\/03\/80430\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"David Bentley Hart\u2019s Post-Christian Pantheism (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">David Bentley Hart\u2019s Post-Christian Pantheism<\/a>&#8220;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-349-craig-tuggy-dialogue-on-trinitarian-vs-unitarian-theologies\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"podcast 349 \u2013 Craig-Tuggy dialogue on trinitarian vs. unitarian theologies (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 349 \u2013 Craig-Tuggy dialogue on trinitarian vs. unitarian theologies<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a aria-label=\"Peter van Inwagen and Michael Rea on the Trinity (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/trinity\/#RelIde\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">Peter van Inwagen and Michael Rea on the Trinity<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Berengar_of_Tours\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Berengar of Tours, a.k.a. Berengarius Turonensis (d. 1088) (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">Berengar of Tours, a.k.a. Berengarius Turonensis (d. 1088)<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Lanfranc\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Lanfranc of Bec (d. 1089) (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">Lanfranc of Bec (d. 1089)<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This week&#8217;s thinking music is &#8220;<a aria-label=\"Jonah's Message for New York (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/Doctor_Turtle\/Jonahs_Message_for_New_York\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">Jonah&#8217;s Message for New York<\/a>&#8221; by Dr. Turtle.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Is there a plausible and biblical &#8220;doctrine of the Trinity&#8221;?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":43945,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[16,4,14,20,72,9,57,77,13,3,43,90],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-43925","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-books","category-heresy-orthodoxy","category-history","category-mystery","category-pentecostalism","category-philosophy","category-podcast","category-protestant","category-theologians","category-theories","category-unitarianism","category-whistleblower"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/43925","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=43925"}],"version-history":[{"count":10,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/43925\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":43957,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/43925\/revisions\/43957"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/43945"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=43925"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=43925"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=43925"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}