{"id":43986,"date":"2022-11-05T11:19:06","date_gmt":"2022-11-05T16:19:06","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=43986"},"modified":"2022-11-05T11:20:19","modified_gmt":"2022-11-05T16:20:19","slug":"conversation-with-adam-about-intellectual-honesty-and-the-trinity","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/conversation-with-adam-about-intellectual-honesty-and-the-trinity\/","title":{"rendered":"Conversation with Adam about Intellectual Honesty and the Trinity"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<div class=\"nv-iframe-embed\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Discussion with Dr. Tuggy on Intellectual Honesty and the Trinity\" width=\"1200\" height=\"675\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/T35SY52VzkE?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/div>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>What does one do when the search for truth clashes with one&#8217;s need to fit in?<\/strong> I think it&#8217;s a pretty interesting, wide-ranging conversation with Adam for his <a aria-label=\"CuriousChristianity (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/channel\/UCRVx-RrD4qJfXDoknnXx8Rw\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">CuriousChristianity<\/a> channel. Topics include intellectual honesty and dishonesty, whether or not we can directly choose our beliefs, how a main feature of trinitarian traditions is avoidance of the topic, divine omnipresence, willingness to hear the other side of an issue, our tendency to flock together with those who agree with us, the <strong>depressing fact that theological experts disagree among themselves<\/strong>, the accessibility of the New Testament to ordinary people, the catholic &#8220;canon within the canon,&#8221; <strong>Jesus&#8217; authority to forgive sins <\/strong>in Mark 2 and Matthew 9, where I go to church, worries about unitarians being cultists, elite gate-keeping, fallacies about what &#8220;early Christians&#8221; thought, the range of mainstream Christian theologies in the 3rd century, what unitarians think about trinitarians, how trinitarian nominally trinitarian churches actually are, what beliefs are essential to being a Christian, what it takes to be a member of the human race, how Jesus truly shares our lot in life, Ligers and Tions, whether Jesus is &#8220;a mere man,&#8221; <strong>why we don&#8217;t need to speculate that Jesus has &#8220;a divine nature,&#8221; <\/strong>Jesus&#8217; temptations, a 3D vs. 2D analogy to explain why the Trinity may not seem possible to us, why I have never objected that &#8220;the Trinity is obviously incoherent,&#8221; my objection that <strong>the New Testament doesn&#8217;t actually motivate any Trinity theory<\/strong>, the argument strategy in my opening salvo in an upcoming 4-views book on the Trinity, Jesus being a man vs. his being &#8220;man,&#8221; what I think &#8220;the Holy Spirit&#8221; is, Matthew 28:19, and early Christian unity slogans.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">If I seem a little uncomfortable here, it&#8217;s because I was! I had an odd pain off and on in my throat, and felt light-headed &#8211; it was a short-lived cold or something coming on. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Here are a couple of relevant podcast episodes:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-wp-embed is-provider-trinities wp-block-embed-trinities\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"u2Bow6zKxu\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-260-how-to-argue-that-the-bible-is-trinitarian\/\">podcast 260 &#8211; How to Argue that the Bible is Trinitarian<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; clip: rect(1px, 1px, 1px, 1px);\" title=\"&#8220;podcast 260 &#8211; How to Argue that the Bible is Trinitarian&#8221; &#8212; Trinities\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-260-how-to-argue-that-the-bible-is-trinitarian\/embed\/#?secret=qOz2eTEUWt#?secret=u2Bow6zKxu\" data-secret=\"u2Bow6zKxu\" width=\"600\" height=\"338\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-wp-embed is-provider-trinities wp-block-embed-trinities\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"66u5QsUe8u\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-97-dr-michael-heiser-on-the-unseen-realm\/\">podcast 97 &#8211; Dr. Michael Heiser on The Unseen Realm<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; clip: rect(1px, 1px, 1px, 1px);\" title=\"&#8220;podcast 97 &#8211; Dr. Michael Heiser on The Unseen Realm&#8221; &#8212; Trinities\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-97-dr-michael-heiser-on-the-unseen-realm\/embed\/#?secret=geNBr5TT0F#?secret=66u5QsUe8u\" data-secret=\"66u5QsUe8u\" width=\"600\" height=\"338\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-wp-embed is-provider-trinities wp-block-embed-trinities\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"kQXNRE0YlY\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-189-the-unfinished-business-of-the-reformation\/\">podcast 189 &#8211; The unfinished business of the Reformation<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; 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