{"id":44020,"date":"2022-11-14T16:28:38","date_gmt":"2022-11-14T22:28:38","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=44020"},"modified":"2022-11-14T16:28:43","modified_gmt":"2022-11-14T22:28:43","slug":"podcast-357-seminary-student-takes-trinity-class-becomes-unitarian-part-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-357-seminary-student-takes-trinity-class-becomes-unitarian-part-2\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 357 &#8211; Seminary student takes Trinity class, becomes unitarian &#8211; Part 2"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_2003\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-44020-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities357.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities357.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities357.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities357.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=44020-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities357.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities357.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>There are no verses that define God as being Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>There are no verses that define God as three, three in one, or a multiple.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>There are no verses that say that Jesus has two natures or two minds.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>There are no verses that say Jesus is a God-man, or that he is fully God and fully man.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>There are no verses that call Jesus \u201ceternally begotten,\u201d the bible says he was begotten or \u201cborn\u201d by Mary.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<cite><a href=\"https:\/\/www.biblicalunitarian.com\/why-bu\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Why Biblical Unitarianism? (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">Why Biblical Unitarianism?<\/a> <\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"alignright size-full is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/REV-Bible-logo.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-44024\" width=\"324\" height=\"283\"\/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In this second half of my wide-ranging conversation with recent seminary graduate Johnny Barnes, we discuss:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>further advice for Christians re-thinking the issue of the Bible and &#8220;the Trinity&#8221;<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>the importance of what is NOT in the New Testament for deciding whether these authors are trinitarian or unitarian<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>&#8220;the Holy Spirit&#8221; in the New Testament<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>why Jesus is to be honored or worshiped according to the New Testament<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>systematic theologians&#8217; desire to &#8220;go beyond the basics&#8221; of the Trinity<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>&#8220;the deity of Christ&#8221; vs. theories that God is the Trinity<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>how to get around fruitless proof-text wars and the cheap accusation that unitarian Christians merely &#8220;assume unitarianism&#8221;<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>the shallow and misleading way that many today teach the early history of Christian theologies and christologies<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>the REV Bible<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>why literal isn&#8217;t always best when it comes to translation<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>advice for and a challenge to seminary students<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Thanks to Johnny Barnes for a good conversation!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">John 17:5; John 17:1-3; John 5:44; Philippians 2:11; Revelation 5:9-14; Acts 5:3, John 1:18 (<a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/www.revisedenglishversion.com\/John\/chapter1\/18\" target=\"_blank\">REV commentary<\/a>); Matthew 1:18; Matthew 1:20; Colossians 1:15.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/spiritandtruthonline.org\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Spirit &amp; Truth (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">Spirit &amp; Truth<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/spiritandtruthonline.org\/revised-english-version\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"the REV Bible (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">the REV Bible<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a aria-label=\"biblicalunitarian.com (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.biblicalunitarian.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">biblicalunitarian.com<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/the-only-true-president-of-the-usa-another-laugable-fox-news-blunder\/\">\u201cthe only true President\u201d of the USA, another laughable Fox News blunder<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/reading-comprehension-quiz-johann-171-3\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\" (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\"><strong>Reading comprehension quiz: Johann 17:1-3<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a aria-label=\"the NET Bible (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/netbible.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">the NET Bible<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong><a aria-label=\"The Tuggy-Brown debate: Dale\u2019s opening statement (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/the-tuggy-brown-debate-dales-opening-statement\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">The Tuggy-Brown debate: Dale\u2019s opening statement<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a aria-label=\"a reading of Philippians 2:5-11 (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/a-reading-of-philippians-25-11\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">a reading of Philippians 2:5-11<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a aria-label=\"Katherine Sonderegger (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/vts.edu\/faculty\/rev-katherine-sonderegger\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">Katherine Sonderegger<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/evolution-of-the-trinity-with-bill-schlegel\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Evolution of the Trinity \u2013 with Bill Schlegel (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\"><strong>Evolution of the Trinity \u2013 with Bill Schlegel<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/the-lost-early-history-of-unitarian-christian-theology\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"The Lost Early History of Unitarian Christian Theology (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">The Lost Early History of Unitarian Christian Theology<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-348-novatians-on-the-trinity-part-2-two-thieves-and-three-arguments\/\">podcast 348 \u2013 Novatian\u2019s On the Trinity \u2013 Part 2 \u2013 Two Thieves and Three Arguments<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-347-novatians-on-the-trinity-part-1-almost-pope\/\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 347 \u2013 Novatian\u2019s On the Trinity \u2013 Part 1 \u2013 Almost Pope<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/why-you-can-ignore-sharps-rule\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Why you can ignore \u201cSharp\u2019s Rule\u201d (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">Why you can ignore \u201cSharp\u2019s Rule\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a aria-label=\"podcast 176 \u2013 Photinus of Sirmium (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-176-photinus-of-sirmium\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\"><strong>podcast 176 \u2013 Photinus of Sirmium<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-26-pastor-sean-finnegan-on-the-holy-spirit-part-2\/\">podcast 26 \u2013 Pastor Sean Finnegan on \u201cthe Holy Spirit\u201d \u2013 Part 2<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-25-pastor-sean-finnegan-about-the-holy-spirit-part-1\/\" 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