{"id":44196,"date":"2023-04-13T13:53:30","date_gmt":"2023-04-13T18:53:30","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=44196"},"modified":"2023-04-13T14:07:24","modified_gmt":"2023-04-13T19:07:24","slug":"podcast-363-dr-andrew-hollingsworth-on-mere-social-trinitarianism-and-eternal-relations-of-origin-part-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-363-dr-andrew-hollingsworth-on-mere-social-trinitarianism-and-eternal-relations-of-origin-part-2\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 363 \u2013 Dr. Andrew Hollingsworth on \u201cmere\u201d social trinitarianism and eternal relations of origin \u2013 Part 2"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_3518\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-44196-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities363.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities363.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities363.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities363.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=44196-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities363.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities363.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"alignright size-full is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/three-person-trinity-cr.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-44203\" width=\"513\" height=\"357\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/three-person-trinity-cr.png 1024w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/three-person-trinity-cr-450x313.png 450w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/three-person-trinity-cr-768x535.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 513px) 100vw, 513px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In this episode we get into the depths of Dr. Hollingsworth&#8217;s new article \u201cMere Social Trinitarianism, the Eternal Relations of Origin, and Models of God.\u201d <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Topics include:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><strong>divine timelessness<\/strong><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>creation ex nihilo<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>the divine processions (the Father&#8217;s eternal generation of the Son and spiration of the Spirit)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>the DERO&#8217;s lack of biblical support<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>why DERO entered into mainstream Christian tradition<\/strong><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>divine aseity<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>John 1 and Philo&#8217;s views about God&#8217;s Logos<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>2nd century logos theorists<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>the &#8220;Cappadocian fathers&#8221; on DERO<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a aria-label=\"Dr. Joshua Sijuwade (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?s=Sijuwade\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">Dr. Joshua Sijuwade<\/a>&#8216;s views on the processions<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>some reasons why it is problematic to combine divine temporality with DERO <\/strong><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Hasker vs. Mullins on processions and subordinationism<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>comparing and contrasting processions with creation<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>divine immutability<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>divine impassibility<\/strong><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>divine simplicity<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>God&#8217;s desire to be reconciled to his creatures<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>God&#8217;s real relations to the cosmos<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>divine temporality<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>divine simplicity &amp;  some of its absurd implications<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>how simplicity implies the other &#8220;classical theism&#8221; divine attributes<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>whether a whole depends on its parts<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>how God can have multiple properties and not in any undesirable way depend on them<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>divine attributes which are compatible or incompatible with Social trinitarianism<\/strong><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>that Social trinitarianism is committed to one model of God<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>so-called &#8220;classical theism&#8221; vs. <strong>neoclassical theism<\/strong> (a.k.a. &#8220;theistic personalism&#8221;)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>why Dr. Hollingsworth believes in a Social trinitarian theology<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Aquinas&#8217;s claim that Jesus&#8217;s divine and human natures engage in one &#8220;theandric act&#8221;<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>the influence of Platonism and Origen on mainstream catholic theologies in ancient times<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>the practice of employing what one considers to be the best philosophical theories in the service of theology<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>why a Protestant should not say<\/strong> that we can&#8217;t interpret the Bible without reliance on extrabiblical Christian traditions <\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-362-dr-andrew-hollingsworth-on-mere-social-trinitarianism-and-eternal-relations-of-origin-part-1\/\">podcast 362 \u2013 Dr. Andrew Hollingsworth on \u201cmere\u201d social trinitarianism and eternal relations of origin \u2013 Part 1<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.bpc.edu\/directory\/andrew-hollingsworth\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Dr. Andrew Hollingsworth @ Brewton-Parker College<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/bpc.academia.edu\/AndrewHollingsworth\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Dr. Hollingsworth @ Academia.edu<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/asburyseminary.edu\/faculty\/dr-thomas-mccall\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Dr. Thomas McCall (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">Dr. Thomas McCall<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Monotheism-Philosophical-Theologians-Metaphysics-Trinitarian-ebook\/dp\/B003VYAKRK\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Which Trinity? Whose Monotheism? Philosophical and Systematic Theologians on the Metaphysics of Trinitarian Theology  (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\"><em>Which Trinity? Whose Monotheism? Philosophical and Systematic Theologians on the Metaphysics of Trinitarian Theology<\/em> <\/a>(<a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/review-of-thomas-mccalls-which-trinity-whose-monotheism\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"review (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">review<\/a>)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?s=origen\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Origen (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">Origen<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Psalm 2:1-9; John 17:5; Exodus 3:14.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This week&#8217;s thinking music is &#8220;<a aria-label=\"bluenotes (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/ccmixter.org\/files\/airtone\/64427\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">bluenotes<\/a>&#8221; by <a aria-label=\"airtone (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/ccmixter.org\/people\/airtone\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">airtone<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A deep dive on divine attributes, processions, and &#8220;social&#8221; trinitarianism.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":44203,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"[\"title\",\"meta\",\"content\",\"comments\",\"post-navigation\"]","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[21,16,75,4,14,47,9,57,77,13,3],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-44196","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-bible","category-books","category-divine-attributes","category-heresy-orthodoxy","category-history","category-papers","category-philosophy","category-podcast","category-protestant","category-theologians","category-theories"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/44196","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=44196"}],"version-history":[{"count":10,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/44196\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":44212,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/44196\/revisions\/44212"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/44203"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=44196"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=44196"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=44196"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}