{"id":44213,"date":"2023-04-25T20:26:32","date_gmt":"2023-04-26T01:26:32","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=44213"},"modified":"2023-04-25T20:26:36","modified_gmt":"2023-04-26T01:26:36","slug":"podcast-364-the-god-who-suffers-a-response-to-the-reluctant-theologian-podcast-118-why-did-god-become-incarnate","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-364-the-god-who-suffers-a-response-to-the-reluctant-theologian-podcast-118-why-did-god-become-incarnate\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 364 &#8211; The God who Suffers: a Response to The Reluctant Theologian Podcast 118 Why did God become incarnate?"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_2010\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-44213-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities364.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities364.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities364.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities364.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=44213-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities364.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities364.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"alignright size-full is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/mourning-mother-holding-her-dead-baby-with-dark-skies-and-army-tanks-and-planes-in-the-background.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-44215\" width=\"505\" height=\"362\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/mourning-mother-holding-her-dead-baby-with-dark-skies-and-army-tanks-and-planes-in-the-background.png 1023w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/mourning-mother-holding-her-dead-baby-with-dark-skies-and-army-tanks-and-planes-in-the-background-450x323.png 450w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/mourning-mother-holding-her-dead-baby-with-dark-skies-and-army-tanks-and-planes-in-the-background-768x552.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 505px) 100vw, 505px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In a thought-provoking recent episode released before this Easter, analytic theologian Dr. R.T. Mullins suggested <strong>three reasons God would have to become incarnate,<\/strong> building on work by Swinburne and McConnell. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The one he focuses the most on in the idea that God would be obligated to become incarnate <strong>so that he can suffer along with us<\/strong>, his beloved creatures. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In this episode I evaluate those three reasons using Scripture and reason. <strong>I argue that<\/strong> we can have the theological goods Dr. Mullins wants at a better price.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Which case did you find more convincing, and why?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.rtmullins.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Dr. Mullins's website (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">Dr. Mullins&#8217;s website<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.rtmullins.com\/podcast\/episode\/1ea99843\/ep-118-why-did-god-become-incarnate\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"The Reluctant Theologian Podcast Ep. 118. Why Did God Become Incarnate? (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\"><strong>The Reluctant Theologian Podcast Ep. 118. Why Did God Become Incarnate?<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.rtmullins.com\/podcast\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"The Reluctant Theologian Podcast (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">The Reluctant Theologian Podcast<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.rtmullins.com\/publications-1\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"his publications (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">his publications<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"alignleft size-full is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/a-school-of-shimmering-fish-swimming-in-the-ocean-with-a-beam-of-sun-slicing-through-the-water-with-close-up-of-a-few-fish-3.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-44216\" width=\"595\" height=\"548\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/a-school-of-shimmering-fish-swimming-in-the-ocean-with-a-beam-of-sun-slicing-through-the-water-with-close-up-of-a-few-fish-3.png 1024w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/a-school-of-shimmering-fish-swimming-in-the-ocean-with-a-beam-of-sun-slicing-through-the-water-with-close-up-of-a-few-fish-3-450x414.png 450w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/a-school-of-shimmering-fish-swimming-in-the-ocean-with-a-beam-of-sun-slicing-through-the-water-with-close-up-of-a-few-fish-3-768x707.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 595px) 100vw, 595px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?s=swinburne\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Richard Swinburne @ trinities (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">Richard Swinburne @ trinities<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Resurrection-God-Incarnate-Richard-Swinburne\/dp\/0199257469\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Swinburne, The Resurrection of God Incarnate (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">Swinburne, <em>The Resurrection of God Incarnate<\/em><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Was-Jesus-God-Richard-Swinburne-ebook\/dp\/B006NXGKU2\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Swinburne, Was Jesus God? (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">Swinburne, <em>Was Jesus God?<\/em><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/books\/edition\/The_Diviner_Immanence\/l803AQAAMAAJ?hl=en&amp;gbpv=1&amp;dq=Francis+J.+McConnell,+The+Diviner+Immanence&amp;printsec=frontcover\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Francis J. McConnell, The Diviner Immanence (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">Francis J. McConnell, <em>The Diviner Immanence<\/em><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a aria-label=\"three self Trinity theories (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/trinity\/#ThrSel\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">three<\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/trinity\/#ThrSel\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"three self Trinity theories (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">&#8211;<\/a><a aria-label=\"three self Trinity theories (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/trinity\/#ThrSel\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">self Trinity theories<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a aria-label=\"one self Trinity theories (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/trinity\/#OneSel\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">one<\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/trinity\/#OneSel\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"one self Trinity theories (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">&#8211;<\/a><a aria-label=\"one self Trinity theories (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/trinity\/#OneSel\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">self Trinity theories<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-226-biblical-words-for-god-and-for-his-son-part-3-post-biblical-uses-of-biblical-words-and-new-words\/\">podcast 226 \u2013 Biblical Words for God and for his Son Part 3 \u2013 post-biblical uses of biblical words, and new words<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-225-biblical-words-for-god-and-for-his-son-part-2-old-lord-vs-new-lord\/\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 225 \u2013 Biblical Words for God and for his Son Part 2 \u2013 Old \u201cLord\u201d vs. New \u201cLord\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-224-biblical-words-for-god-and-for-his-son-part-1-god-and-god-in-the-bible\/\" class=\"ek-link\"><strong>podcast 224 \u2013 Biblical Words for God and for his Son Part 1 \u2013 God and \u201cGod\u201d in the Bible<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-277-was-christ-tempted-in-every-way\/\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 277 \u2013 Was Christ tempted in every way?<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><a href=\"https:\/\/ojs.uclouvain.be\/index.php\/theologica\/index\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"TheoLogica (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\"><strong>TheoLogica<\/strong><\/a><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-344-craigs-contradictory-christ-part-2\/\">podcast 344 \u2013 Craig\u2019s Contradictory Christ \u2013 Part 2<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-343-craigs-contradictory-christ-part-1\/\">podcast 343 \u2013 Craig\u2019s Contradictory Christ \u2013 Part 1<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/nb4TogqyTrw\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"&quot;What John 1 Meant&quot; (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">&#8220;What John 1 Meant&#8221;<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/a-reading-of-philippians-25-11\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"a reading of Philippians 2:5-11 (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">a reading of Philippians 2:5-11<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-264-tuggy-vs-date-debate-jesus-is-human-and-not-divine-part-2\/\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 264 \u2013 Tuggy vs. Date debate \u2013 Jesus is human and not divine \u2013 Part 2<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-263-tuggy-vs-date-debate-jesus-is-human-and-not-divine-part-1\/\">podcast 263 \u2013 Tuggy vs. Date debate \u2013 Jesus is human and not divine \u2013 Part 1<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"alignright size-full is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/cross-on-a-hill-at-sunrise.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-44220\" width=\"416\" height=\"453\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/cross-on-a-hill-at-sunrise.png 809w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/cross-on-a-hill-at-sunrise-413x450.png 413w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/cross-on-a-hill-at-sunrise-768x836.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 416px) 100vw, 416px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-323-did-god-die-on-the-cross\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"podcast 323 \u2013 Did God die on the cross? (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 323 \u2013 Did God die on the cross?<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-333-the-arguments-of-gods-death\/\" class=\"ek-link\"><strong>podcast 333 \u2013 The Arguments of \u201cGod\u2019s Death\u201d<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-146-jesus-exemplar-faith-new-testament\/\">podcast 146 \u2013 Jesus as an Exemplar of Faith in the New Testament<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.academia.edu\/44018045\/Jesus_as_an_exemplar_of_faith_in_the_New_Testament\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"&quot;Jesus as an exemplar of faith in the New Testament&quot; (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">&#8220;Jesus as an exemplar of faith in the New Testament&#8221;<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-145-tis-mystery-immortal-dies\/\" class=\"ek-link\"><strong>podcast 145 \u2013 \u2018Tis Mystery All: the Immortal dies!<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">John 1:1-14; 2 Corinthians 5:19; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 12:2; Revelation 5:1-14; Romans 5:1-10; Hebrews 2:17; John 3:34; Philippians 2:6-10; 1 Corinthians 15:12-58; Colossians 1:18; Revelation 1:5; Isaiah 41:8; 1 Timothy 2:5; Hebrews 4:15; Hebrews 5:1-10; Matthew 10:29; Matthew 3:17; Matthew 17:5; Romans 1:18-32; Revelation 5:9; Ephesians 3:12; John 8:40; John 1:29.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This week&#8217;s thinking music is &#8220;<a aria-label=\"What's on my Mind (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/ccmixter.org\/files\/ramblinglibrarian\/38021\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">What&#8217;s on my Mind<\/a>&#8221; by <a aria-label=\"Ivan Chew (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/ccmixter.org\/people\/ramblinglibrarian\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">Ivan Chew<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Evaluating three proposed reasons why God would be motivated to incarnate.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":44215,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[37,61,21,16,15,54,75,80,33,5,101,38,47,9,57,77,94,13,3,43],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-44213","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-apologetics","category-atonement","category-bible","category-books","category-christology","category-debates","category-divine-attributes","category-faith","category-incarnation","category-modalism","category-modalistic-monarchian","category-monotheism","category-papers","category-philosophy","category-podcast","category-protestant","category-socinian","category-theologians","category-theories","category-unitarianism"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/44213","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=44213"}],"version-history":[{"count":8,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/44213\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":44224,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/44213\/revisions\/44224"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/44215"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=44213"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=44213"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=44213"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}