{"id":44464,"date":"2023-11-28T21:49:04","date_gmt":"2023-11-29T03:49:04","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=44464"},"modified":"2023-11-28T21:57:13","modified_gmt":"2023-11-29T03:57:13","slug":"podcast-372-book-session-identity-crisis-part-1","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-372-book-session-identity-crisis-part-1\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 372 &#8211; Book Session Identity Crisis &#8211; Part 1"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_7726\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-44464-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities372.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities372.mp3\">https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities372.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities372.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=44464-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities372.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities372.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"alignleft size-large is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"949\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Dale-talking-at-the-book-session-1024x949.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-44465\" style=\"width:353px;height:auto\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Dale-talking-at-the-book-session-1024x949.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Dale-talking-at-the-book-session-450x417.jpg 450w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Dale-talking-at-the-book-session-768x712.jpg 768w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Dale-talking-at-the-book-session.jpg 1084w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In this episode you&#8217;ll hear the four opening speeches in a book session at the Evangelical Philosophical Society conference in San Antonio, Texas in November of 2023. The book is <strong><em>One God, Three Persons, Four Views<\/em>, edited by Chad McIntosh<\/strong>, forthcoming probably deep into 2024. (See UCA podcast #77 for the back story about the book.) <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The speakers are the co-authors <strong>William Hasker <\/strong>(his paper presented by Dr. McIntosh), <strong>Beau Branson<\/strong>, <strong>William Lane Craig<\/strong>, and <strong>Dale Tuggy<\/strong>. Each one is supposed to explain what is distinctive about his approach to the Trinity. Dr. Hasker presents the basics of his <strong>three-self theory<\/strong>, focusing on his claim that the &#8220;Persons&#8221; really are &#8220;centers of consciousness&#8221; (selves). Dr. Branson explains his &#8220;<strong>Monarchical Trinitarianism<\/strong>,&#8221; focusing on a number of linguistic distinctions, such as different meanings of &#8220;god.&#8221; Dr. Craig briefly explains what he claims is a <strong>minimal and biblical Trinity theory <\/strong>and what he claims is an unproblematic model of the doctrine of the Trinity amounts to. He also urges that I have failed to rebut his case that Jesus &#8220;is God&#8221; (i.e. not identical with God, but rather that he has divine-Person divinity, as opposed to god-divinity). Finally, I present my <strong>unitarian Christian<\/strong> view, focusing on five of my twenty facts which favor the thesis that the New Testament authors are unitarian over the thesis that those authors are trinitarian. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I provide an opinionated <strong>running commentary<\/strong> on the presentations . . . and a few sound effects. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Next time: interactions between the four panelists<\/strong>, and some extra information about Craig&#8217;s claim that the New Testament authors had no concept (or no clear grasp of the concept) of <a aria-label=\"identity (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/identity\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">identity<\/a>, which is how he hopes to refute any understanding of New Testament theology on which the one God and the Father are one and the same. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/freethinkingministries.com\/tim-stratton\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Tim Stratton and Free Thinking Ministries (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">Tim Stratton and Free Thinking Ministries<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a aria-label=\"Reading comprehension quiz: Johann 17:1-3 (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/reading-comprehension-quiz-johann-171-3\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">Reading comprehension quiz: Johann 17:1-3<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-227-who-should-christians-worship\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"podcast 227 \u2013 Who Should Christians Worship? (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 227 \u2013 Who Should Christians Worship?<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-28-interview-with-dr-william-hasker-about-his-metaphysics-and-the-tripersonal-god-part-2\/\">podcast 28 \u2013 Interview with Dr. William Hasker about his Metaphysics and the Tripersonal God \u2013 Part 2<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-27-interview-with-dr-william-hasker-about-his-metaphysics-and-the-tripersonal-god-part-1\/\">podcast 27 \u2013 Interview with Dr. William Hasker about his Metaphysics and the Tripersonal God \u2013 Part 1<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-78-mr-chad-mcintosh-on-the-trinity-as-a-functional-person\/\">podcast 78 \u2013 Mr. Chad McIntosh on the Trinity as a Functional Person<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/trinity\/#FuncPer\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"God as a functional Person (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">God as a functional Person<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Kapusta, <em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Scripturae-Contra-Trinitatem-Alternative-Commentaries\/dp\/B0CKD3L7N6\/ref=sr_1_2?crid=37HADQZ7HTBSD&amp;keywords=kapusta+trinity+hebrews&amp;qid=1701226793&amp;sprefix=kapusta+trinity+hebrews%2Caps%2C127&amp;sr=8-2\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Scripturae Contra Trinitatem - The Epistle to the Hebrews: An Anthology of Quotations, Alternative Expositions, and Critical Commentaries on Common Trinitarian Proof-Texts (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">Scripturae Contra Trinitatem &#8211; The Epistle to the Hebrews: An Anthology of Quotations, Alternative Expositions, and Critical Commentaries on Common Trinitarian Proof-Texts<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-351-thoughts-on-my-dialogue-with-craig-on-the-trinity-and-the-bible-part-2\/\">podcast 351 \u2013 Thoughts on my Dialogue with Craig on the Trinity and the Bible \u2013 Part 2<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-350-thoughts-on-my-dialogue-with-craig-on-the-trinity-and-the-bible-part-1\/\">podcast 350 \u2013 Thoughts on my Dialogue with Craig on the Trinity and the Bible \u2013 Part 1<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-349-craig-tuggy-dialogue-on-trinitarian-vs-unitarian-theologies\/\">podcast 349 \u2013 Craig-Tuggy dialogue on trinitarian vs. unitarian theologies<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><a aria-label=\"Mah?parinibb?na Sutta (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Mah%C4%81parinibb%C4%81na_Sutta\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">Mahaparinibbana Sutta<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-246-response-to-branson-part-4-the-shortcomings-of-monarchical-trinitarianism\/\">podcast 246 \u2013 Response to Branson Part 4 \u2013 the shortcomings of \u201cmonarchical trinitarianism\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-245-response-to-branson-part-3-dueling-definitions\/\">podcast 245 \u2013 Response to Branson Part 3 \u2013 Dueling Definitions<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-244-response-to-branson-part-2-early-orthodox-trinitarians\/\">podcast 244 \u2013 Response to Branson Part 2 \u2013 Early Orthodox Trinitarians<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-243-response-to-branson-part-1-the-orthodox-doctrine-of-the-trinity\/\">podcast 243 \u2013 Response to Branson Part 1 \u2013 The Orthodox Doctrine of the Trinity<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This week&#8217;s thinking music is &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/dig.ccmixter.org\/files\/admiralbob77\/61106\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Into the J (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">Into the J<\/a>&#8221; 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