{"id":44573,"date":"2024-02-18T21:52:23","date_gmt":"2024-02-19T03:52:23","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=44573"},"modified":"2024-02-18T22:03:53","modified_gmt":"2024-02-19T04:03:53","slug":"podcast-376-the-trinity-the-deity-of-christ-and-the-best-craig-part-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-376-the-trinity-the-deity-of-christ-and-the-best-craig-part-2\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 376 &#8211; The Trinity, the Deity of Christ, and the Best Craig &#8211; Part 2"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_1857\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-44573-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities376.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities376.mp3\">https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities376.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities376.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=44573-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities376.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities376.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"alignright size-large is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"675\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/debate-stage-1024x675.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-44574\" style=\"width:497px;height:auto\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/debate-stage-1024x675.png 1024w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/debate-stage-450x296.png 450w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/debate-stage-768x506.png 768w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/debate-stage.png 1269w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This is the final part of my response to some recent podcast episodes by Dr. William Lane Craig <a href=\"https:\/\/www.reasonablefaith.org\/media\/reasonable-faith-podcast\/trinitarianism-vs-unitarianism-part-one\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">here<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.reasonablefaith.org\/media\/reasonable-faith-podcast\/trinitarianism-vs-unitarianism-part-two\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">here<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Dr. Craig accuses me of being disingenuous<\/strong> in claiming that his minimal, so-called &#8220;biblical&#8221; doctrine consisting of two sentences is not enough to count as a trinitarian theology. I stand by that claim, and point out that it is unclear why Dr. Craig thinks that those sentences say anything about a tripersonal God. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I also discuss <strong>his claim that his rival hypothesis, that the New Testament authors assumed those two sentences, explains the 20 facts<\/strong> I build my case on in the forthcoming debate book. I don&#8217;t discuss all 20 facts here, but I describe the 5 facts that I presented in the recent book panel session, and point out that Craig&#8217;s hypothesis in fact doesn&#8217;t explain any of those, in contrast to the hypothesis I call &#8220;U,&#8221; that the New Testament authors assume that the one God just is the Father and that neither the Son nor the Spirit are fully divine.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In his recent podcast Dr. Craig also seems to suggest that I think there is one doctrine of the Trinity, and that in the debate book I attacked a straw man theology which no trinitarian holds. I point out that both claims are mistaken. I also discuss <strong>the two different Trinity theories<\/strong> he has presented, pointing out that one could be true while the other is false.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Finally, I summarize the shortcomings of our recent interactions and <strong>I challenge Dr. Craig to a full-length, face to face public debate, suggesting four topics:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li class=\"\">The New Testament teaches that the one God is tripersonal.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li class=\"\">The Gospel According to John teaches that Jesus and the Father are equally divine.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li class=\"\">The Chalcedonian doctrine of a divine and human Jesus is coherent.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li class=\"\">The New Testament teaches that Jesus and the Father are equally divine.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-375-the-trinity-the-deity-of-christ-and-the-best-craig-part-1\/\">podcast 375 \u2013 The Trinity, the Deity of Christ, and the Best Craig \u2013 Part 1<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-374-book-session-identity-crisis-part-3\/\" class=\"ek-link\">podcast 374 \u2013 Book Session Identity Crisis \u2013 Part 3<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-373-book-session-identity-crisis-part-2\/\">podcast 373 \u2013 Book Session Identity Crisis \u2013 Part 2<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-372-book-session-identity-crisis-part-1\/\">podcast 372 \u2013 Book Session Identity Crisis \u2013 Part 1<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.reasonablefaith.org\/media\/reasonable-faith-podcast\/trinitarianism-vs-unitarianism-part-one\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Reasonable Faith Podcast: Trinitarianism vs Unitarianism Part One<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.reasonablefaith.org\/media\/reasonable-faith-podcast\/trinitarianism-vs-unitarianism-part-two\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Reasonable Faith Podcast: Trinitarianism vs Unitarianism Part Two<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/ojs.uclouvain.be\/index.php\/theologica\/article\/view\/68363\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>\u201cCraig\u2019s Contradictory Christ\u201d<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/trinity\/\" class=\"ek-link\">&#8220;Trinity,&#8221; <em>Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy<\/em><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This week&#8217;s thinking music is &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/van-loon\/jazz-funk-huh-vol-3\/hi-as-hats\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Hi as Hats (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">Hi as Hats<\/a>&#8221; by <a href=\"https:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/van-loon\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Van Loon (opens in a new tab)\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\">Van Loon<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Some responses and a debate challenge.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":44574,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[37,21,16,109,15,6,54,14,47,9,57,3,43,210,53],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-44573","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-apologetics","category-bible","category-books","category-challenge","category-christology","category-complaints","category-debates","category-history","category-papers","category-philosophy","category-podcast","category-theories","category-unitarianism","category-william-lane-craig","category-worship"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/44573","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=44573"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/44573\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":44581,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/44573\/revisions\/44581"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/44574"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=44573"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=44573"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=44573"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}