{"id":44817,"date":"2025-01-21T22:28:32","date_gmt":"2025-01-22T04:28:32","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=44817"},"modified":"2025-01-21T22:29:22","modified_gmt":"2025-01-22T04:29:22","slug":"podcast-385-cold-case-confusion-j-warner-wallace-on-the-trinity-part-1","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-385-cold-case-confusion-j-warner-wallace-on-the-trinity-part-1\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 385 &#8211; Cold Case Confusion &#8211; J. Warner Wallace on the Trinity &#8211; Part 1"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_6802\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-44817-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities385.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities385.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities385.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities385.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=44817-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities385.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities385.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"alignright size-full is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"768\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Cold-Case-Confusion-Part-1.webp\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-44822\" style=\"width:465px;height:auto\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Cold-Case-Confusion-Part-1.webp 1024w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Cold-Case-Confusion-Part-1-450x338.webp 450w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Cold-Case-Confusion-Part-1-768x576.webp 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In this and the next episode I engage with an episode by Cold Case Christianity apologist<strong> J. Warner Wallace<\/strong> called <strong>&#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/coldcasechristianity.com\/podcasts\/why-is-the-trinity-an-essential-christian-doctrine-cold-case-christianity-broadcast-24\/\">Why is the Trinity an Essential Doctrine?<\/a>&#8220;<\/strong> (Also <a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/vqlia61REXI?si=_K0nC54tvxbwnjeh\">here<\/a>. Alternate title: &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=SXDQi-lwF1E&amp;t=31s\">Is the Trinity Contradictory?<\/a>&#8220;) <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">We first hear him explain <strong>how crime-solving police detectives reason using Inference to the Best Explanation<\/strong>, or what some call abductive reasoning. This is an approach I endorse; among other places I have made use of it <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-260-how-to-argue-that-the-bible-is-trinitarian\/\">here<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-189-the-unfinished-business-of-the-reformation\/\">here<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/ky2SaHscSIo?si=bEzv8sy21XwqkQwg&amp;t=1611\">here<\/a>. But as you&#8217;ll hear, <strong>Mr. Wallace abandons this method entirely when it comes to &#8220;the doctrine of the Trinity.&#8221;<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Topics <\/strong>in this first part include:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>The objection that the word \u201cTrinity\u201d isn\u2019t in the Bible, and the much <strong>stronger objection<\/strong> that the idea of tripersonal God isn\u2019t there.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Inference to the best explanation, and how that method of reasoning would be done regarding \u201cthe doctrine of the Trinity.\u201d<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>In the New Testament do we see <strong>Jesus worshiped as God<\/strong>?<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The Jewish background of the New Testament and <strong>Jesus\u2019 own Jewish monotheism<\/strong>.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The Old Testament idea of the <strong>creator <\/strong>as being the ultimate source of the cosmos and how this is not compatible with being the instrument through which the one creator acted.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>His argument <strong>that the Bible obviously implies that<\/strong> the one God is a Trinity based on Yahweh-only qualities: omnipotence (really: being the creator), omniscience, omnipresence, omnibenevolence, and being referred to with <strong>the word \u201cGod.\u201d<\/strong><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Whether the New Testament authors believe <strong>the Holy Spirit<\/strong> to be to be a divine person in addition to the Father and the Son.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/coldcasechristianity.com\/\"><strong>Cold Case Christianity<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Gods-Crime-Scene-Cold-Case-Detective\/dp\/1434707849\/\">God&#8217;s Crime Scene: A Cold-Case Detective Examines the Evidence for a Divinely Created Universe<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/What-Trinity-Thinking-Father-Spirit\/dp\/154677260X\/\"><strong>What is the Trinity?<\/strong><\/a><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?s=evolution+of+my+views\">the evolution of my views on the Trinity<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Dale&#8217;s publications at <a href=\"https:\/\/philpapers.org\/s\/Dale%20Tuggy\">PhilPapers<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/independentscholar.academia.edu\/DaleTuggy\">Academia.edu<\/a>, and <a href=\"https:\/\/scholar.google.com\/citations?user=AX7xgIEAAAAJ&amp;hl=en\">Google Scholar<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-126-what-is-an-evangelical-with-kermit-zarley\/\">podcast 126 \u2013 What is an evangelical? With Kermit Zarley<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/trinity\/\"><strong>&#8220;Trinity,&#8221; <em>Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy<\/em><\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/ky2SaHscSIo?si=qNXjdPMUI9VJDKNX\">Dale Tuggy and James White debate: &#8220;Is Jesus YHWH?&#8221;<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>McIntosh, ed., Branson, Craig, Hasker, and Tuggy: <em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Three-Persons-Four-Views-Philosophical\/dp\/1666719056\/\">One God, Three Persons, Four Views<\/a><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-232-trinity-club-orientation\/\">podcast 232 \u2013 Trinity Club Orientation<br \/><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/KxYtTQDo1dA?si=r_o_BvqILXXxhHBX\"><strong>Dale Tuggy &#8211; Trinitarian &#8220;Fool&#8217;s Gold&#8221; &#8211; Mainstream Christian Theologies &#8211; Late 100&#8217;s to Early 200&#8217;s<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/d9W_KjktIdk?si=jbhR8oh-y8afhitr\">Dale Tuggy &#8211; Christian theologies in the year 240John 17 posts<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-227-who-should-christians-worship\/\"><strong>podcast 227 \u2013 Who Should Christians Worship?<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Did-First-Christians-Worship-Jesus\/dp\/0664231969\/\">Dunn, <em>Did the First Christians Worship Jesus?: The New Testament<\/em><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.biblestudytools.com\/lexicons\/greek\/nas\/proskuneo.html\">proskuneo<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-259-who-is-the-one-creator-part-2\/\">podcast 259 \u2013 Who is the one Creator? \u2013 Part 2<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-258-who-is-the-one-creator-part-1\/\"><strong>podcast 258 \u2013 Who is the one Creator? \u2013 Part 1<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-26-pastor-sean-finnegan-on-the-holy-spirit-part-2\/\">podcast 26 \u2013 Pastor Sean Finnegan on \u201cthe Holy Spirit\u201d \u2013 Part 2<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-25-pastor-sean-finnegan-about-the-holy-spirit-part-1\/\">podcast 25 \u2013 Pastor Sean Finnegan on \u201cthe Holy Spirit\u201d \u2013 Part 1<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/Dale Tuggy - What John 1 Meant (UCA Conference 2021)\">What John 1 Meant lecture<\/a>  (<a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/how-john-1-was-intelligible-in-the-first-century\/\">blog post<\/a>)<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/a-reading-of-philippians-25-11\/\">a reading of Philippians 2:5-11<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-224-biblical-words-for-god-and-for-his-son-part-1-god-and-god-in-the-bible\/\">podcast 224 \u2013 Biblical Words for God and for his Son Part 1 \u2013 God and \u201cGod\u201d in the Bible<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Scriptures discussed include: Acts 5:3-5; Mark 12:28-34; Deuteronomy 6:4; John 8:40; John 17:1-3; Matthew 2:11; Isaiah 44:24; John 1:1-3; Job 33:4; Mark 13:32; Matthew 24:36; John 4:25; John 16:30; 2 Samuel 20:14; 1 Corinthians 2:10-11; 1 Kings 8:27; Matthew 18:20; Psalm 139:7-12; Romans 15:30.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This week&#8217;s thinking music is &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/dirk-dehler\/single\/bad-guys\/\">Bad Guys<\/a>&#8221; by Dirk Dehler.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A detective not detectiving.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":44822,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[37,21,16,6,91,75,14,55,211,57,43],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-44817","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-apologetics","category-bible","category-books","category-complaints","category-creation","category-divine-attributes","category-history","category-holy-spirit","category-j-warner-wallace","category-podcast","category-unitarianism"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/44817","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=44817"}],"version-history":[{"count":6,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/44817\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":44826,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/44817\/revisions\/44826"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/44822"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=44817"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=44817"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=44817"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}