{"id":44828,"date":"2025-01-30T20:37:27","date_gmt":"2025-01-31T02:37:27","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=44828"},"modified":"2025-01-30T20:37:29","modified_gmt":"2025-01-31T02:37:29","slug":"podcast-386-cold-case-confusion-j-warner-wallace-on-the-trinity-part-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-386-cold-case-confusion-j-warner-wallace-on-the-trinity-part-2\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 386 \u2013 Cold Case Confusion \u2013 J. Warner Wallace on the Trinity \u2013 Part 2"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_1561\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-44828-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities386.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities386.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities386.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities386.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=44828-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities386.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities386.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"alignright size-full is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"741\" height=\"470\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/cold-case-confusion.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-44829\" style=\"width:602px;height:auto\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/cold-case-confusion.png 741w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/cold-case-confusion-450x285.png 450w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 741px) 100vw, 741px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In this second part (first part <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-385-cold-case-confusion-j-warner-wallace-on-the-trinity-part-1\/\">here<\/a>) we hear the rest of <a href=\"https:\/\/coldcasechristianity.com\/podcasts\/why-is-the-trinity-an-essential-christian-doctrine-cold-case-christianity-broadcast-24\/\">this<\/a> podcast by <a href=\"https:\/\/coldcasechristianity.com\/\">Cold Case Christianity<\/a> apologist and former cold case detective J. Warner Wallace. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In this part he tries <strong>to define<\/strong> &#8220;the doctrine of the Trinity&#8221; by quoting a portion of the so-called &#8220;Athanasian Creed.&#8221; He then argues that this doctrine is necessary for understanding the atonement, and gives his version of <strong>the philosophical argument that God could not be a single someone because <\/strong>then he would fail to be perfect in love. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I critique these arguments, then<strong> share four of the many facts<\/strong> which led me to reconsider my position on the Bible and &#8220;the doctrine of the Trinity.&#8221; I end by recommending<strong> four good sources<\/strong> for a student of Scripture who is trying to figure out whether or not the Bible teaches a Trinity doctrine: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.biblicalunitarian.com\/\">biblicalunitarian.com<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.revisedenglishversion.com\/\">the REV translation<\/a>, and Dr. Dustin Smith&#8217;s <a href=\"https:\/\/biblicalunitarianpodcast.podbean.com\/\">Biblical Unitarian Podcast<\/a>. I also discuss Mr. Wallace&#8217;s habit of referring to &#8220;the triune nature of God,&#8221; explaining why some trinitarians affirm and others deny that divinity implies tripersonality.<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"alignright size-large is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"683\" height=\"1024\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Trinity-debate-book-683x1024.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-44834\" style=\"width:486px;height:auto\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Trinity-debate-book-683x1024.jpg 683w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Trinity-debate-book-300x450.jpg 300w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Trinity-debate-book-768x1152.jpg 768w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Trinity-debate-book.jpg 1000w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 683px) 100vw, 683px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Has Wallace shown that the Trinity is an essential Christian doctrine?<\/strong> Let us know what you think in the comments below or in the trinities podcast Facebook Group.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-2-the-athanasian-creed\/\">podcast 2 \u2013 the \u201cAthanasian Creed\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/theathanasiancreed\">J.N.D. Kelly, <em>The Athanasian Creed<\/em><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Tuggy, &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/jat-ojs-baylor.tdl.org\/jat\/article\/view\/449\">Antiunitarian Arguments from Divine Perfection<\/a>&#8221; &#8211; a general refutation of a whole range of arguments from divine perfections, e.g. love, against unitarian theologies.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-286-is-the-trinity-essential-three-views\/\">podcast 286 \u2013 Is the Trinity Essential? \u2013 Three Views<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-63-thomas-belsham-and-other-scholars-on-john-858\/\">podcast 63 \u2013 Thomas Belsham and other scholars on John 8:58 \u2013 Trinities<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Three-Persons-Four-Views-Philosophical\/dp\/1666719056\/\">McIntosh, Ed., <em>One God, Three Persons, Four Views<\/em><\/a> <\/strong>&#8211; a four way debate between Branson, Craig, Hasker, and Tuggy.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/kermit-zarley-on-my-lord-and-my-god\/\">Kermit Zarley on \u201cMy Lord and my God.\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This week\u2019s thinking music is \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/freemusicarchive.org\/music\/dirk-dehler\/single\/bad-guys\/\">Bad Guys<\/a>\u201d by Dirk Dehler.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<div class=\"nv-iframe-embed\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"UCA - 10 Reasons Christians should NOT be trinitarians (All 3 Parts)\" width=\"1200\" height=\"675\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/6YHjvkTbJuI?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/div>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Did God himself die on the cross for our sins? 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