{"id":44889,"date":"2025-08-15T16:30:15","date_gmt":"2025-08-15T21:30:15","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=44889"},"modified":"2025-08-15T16:38:44","modified_gmt":"2025-08-15T21:38:44","slug":"podcast-390-why-the-new-testament-jesus-is-not-fully-divine","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-390-why-the-new-testament-jesus-is-not-fully-divine\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 390 &#8211; Why the New Testament Jesus is not Fully Divine"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_8325\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-44889-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities390.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities390.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities390.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities390.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=44889-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities390.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities390.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p><div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"alignright size-full is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"878\" height=\"459\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/obedient-disobedient.webp\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-44904\" style=\"width:488px;height:auto\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/obedient-disobedient.webp 878w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/obedient-disobedient-450x235.webp 450w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/obedient-disobedient-768x401.webp 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 878px) 100vw, 878px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In this episode I open by briefly explaining <strong>the gap this year in my podcasting<\/strong>. Then you&#8217;ll hear my presentation from the first ever New Zealand UCA Conference. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Longstanding catholic traditions teach <strong>that Jesus is both fully divine<\/strong>, having the sort of divinity enjoyed by the Father Almighty, <strong>and fully human<\/strong>, being &#8220;like us in all things but sin.&#8221; The problem with this is that the godman idea they&#8217;re selling <strong>implies numerous contradictions<\/strong>. Since no contradiction (statement of form P and not-P) can be true, even one implied contradiction shows a godman to be impossible. In this lecture I spell out <strong>fourteen contradictions between divinity <\/strong>(having all the essential divine attributes) <strong>and what the New Testament teaches about the Lord Jesus Christ.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Listen all the way to the end, and I&#8217;ll tell you <strong>what has happened with this lecture since I presented it <\/strong>in New Zealand: I will share some exciting news!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-table\"><table class=\"has-fixed-layout\"><tbody><tr><td><strong>Divine attribute<\/strong><\/td><td><strong>Attribute of the New Testament Jesus<\/strong><\/td><td><strong>When discussed<\/strong><\/td><\/tr><tr><td>Essential Immortality?<\/td><td>Died<\/td><td>7:05<\/td><\/tr><tr><td>Essentially Untemptable?<\/td><td>Was tempted<\/td><td>9:16<\/td><\/tr><tr><td>Essentially Perfect in Virtue<\/td><td>Grew in virtue<\/td><td>11:15<\/td><\/tr><tr><td>Essentially Omnipresent<\/td><td>Moved<\/td><td>15:15<\/td><\/tr><tr><td>Essentially Unlimited Knowledge<\/td><td>Limited Knowledge of<\/td><td>18:35<\/td><\/tr><tr><td>Essentially Unable to Trust God as Someone Subject to God<\/td><td>Put his Trust in God<\/td><td>20:27<\/td><\/tr><tr><td>Essentially Unable to Sleep<\/td><td>Slept<\/td><td>22:33<\/td><\/tr><tr><td>Essentially not under (subject to) Anyone<\/td><td>Under (subject to) God<\/td><td>25:51<\/td><\/tr><tr><td>Essentially Unable to be Obligated to Worship Anyone<\/td><td>Obligated to Worship God<\/td><td>31:38<\/td><\/tr><tr><td>Essentially Unable to Pray<\/td><td>Prayed<\/td><td>34:44<\/td><\/tr><tr><td>Essentially Unable to be Obligated to Obey God<\/td><td>Obligated to Obey God<\/td><td>37:28<\/td><\/tr><tr><td>Essentially Uncreated<\/td><td>As a Human, Part of God&#8217;s Creation<\/td><td>39:40<\/td><\/tr><tr><td>The Ultimate Source Creator<\/td><td>Not the Ultimate Source Creator<\/td><td>41:26<\/td><\/tr><tr><td>Essentially Perfectly Good<\/td><td>Non-Essentially Various Degrees of Good<\/td><td>44:15<\/td><\/tr><\/tbody><\/table><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">If you want to see my slides, here is the UCA&#8217;s video version:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<div class=\"nv-iframe-embed\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Dale Tuggy - Why the NT Jesus is not fully divine\" width=\"1200\" height=\"675\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/l_ZeKzAvaYg?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/div>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Links for this episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/letter\/\">A letter from the Lord Jesus: About God and Me (Revised)<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Adam Pelser, &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/place.asburyseminary.edu\/faithandphilosophy\/vol41\/iss1\/6\/\">Temptation, Virtue, and the Character of Christ<\/a>&#8220;<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-277-was-christ-tempted-in-every-way\/\">podcast 277 \u2013 Was Christ tempted in every way?<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/jesuss-temptations-and-ours\/\">Jesus\u2019s temptations and ours<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-277-was-christ-tempted-in-every-way\/\">podcast 277 \u2013 Was Christ tempted in every way?<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-146-jesus-exemplar-faith-new-testament\/\">podcast 146 \u2013 Jesus as an Exemplar of Faith in the New Testament<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Tuggy, &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.academia.edu\/44018045\/Jesus_as_an_exemplar_of_faith_in_the_New_Testament\">Jesus as an exemplar of faith in the New Testament<\/a>&#8220;<a>&nbsp;<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Kapusta,\u00a0<em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Scripturae-Contra-Trinitatem-Alternative-Commentaries\/dp\/B0CKD3L7N6\/ref=sr_1_2?crid=37HADQZ7HTBSD&amp;keywords=kapusta+trinity+hebrews&amp;qid=1701226793&amp;sprefix=kapusta+trinity+hebrews%2Caps%2C127&amp;sr=8-2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Scripturae Contra Trinitatem \u2013 The Epistle to the Hebrews: An Anthology of Quotations, Alternative Expositions, and Critical Commentaries on Common Trinitarian Proof-Texts<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Gaston, &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.christadelphian-ejbi.org\/pdfs\/eJournal_Supplement_Series_No_10.pdf\">Why does Hebrews 1:10-12 cite Psalm 102:25-27?<\/a>&#8220;<a>&nbsp;<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/a-reading-of-philippians-25-11\/\">a reading of Philippians 2:5-11<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"alignright size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"405\" height=\"408\" src=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/scumbag-analytic-philosopher.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-44907\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/scumbag-analytic-philosopher.png 405w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/scumbag-analytic-philosopher-150x150.png 150w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 405px) 100vw, 405px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-259-who-is-the-one-creator-part-2\/\">podcast 259 \u2013 Who is the one Creator? \u2013 Part 2<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-258-who-is-the-one-creator-part-1\/\">podcast 258 \u2013 Who is the one Creator? \u2013 Part 1<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-235-the-case-against-preexistence\/\">podcast 235 \u2013 The Case Against Preexistence<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/restitutio.org\/2025\/08\/08\/612-colossians-1-16-old-creation-or-new-creation-sean-finnegan\/\"><strong>Restitutio podcast 612 Colossians 1.16: Old Creation or New Creation? 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