{"id":4784,"date":"2013-06-17T15:58:22","date_gmt":"2013-06-17T19:58:22","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=4784"},"modified":"2013-11-19T21:54:44","modified_gmt":"2013-11-20T02:54:44","slug":"scott-williams-article-on-the-trinity","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/scott-williams-article-on-the-trinity\/","title":{"rendered":"Scott Williams&#8217;s &#8220;soft Latin&#8221; theory of the Trinity"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Williams-LT-1.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-medium wp-image-4789\" alt=\"Williams LT 1\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Williams-LT-1-300x267.png\" width=\"300\" height=\"267\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Williams-LT-1-300x267.png 300w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Williams-LT-1-90x80.png 90w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Williams-LT-1.png 322w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a>Here are a few observations on my co-blogger Dr. <strong><a title=\"Scott Williams's blog\" href=\"http:\/\/henryofghent.blogspot.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">Scott Williams<\/a><\/strong>&#8216;s recently published article in the <a title=\"post on the Journal of Analytic Theology\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/archives\/4692\" target=\"_blank\"><em>Journal of Analytic Theology<\/em><\/a>, called <a title=\"Indexical and the Trinity @ JAT\" href=\"http:\/\/journalofanalytictheology.com\/jat\/index.php\/jat\/article\/view\/jat.2013-1.180219220818a\" target=\"_blank\">&#8220;Indexicals and the Trinity: Two Non-Social Models.&#8221;<\/a><\/p>\n<p>There&#8217;s a lot going on in the piece &#8211; some terminology, some history of theology, and some interesting dialectic with one of the best philosophers working on this topic, Brian Leftow, which centers around the concept of an &#8220;indexical&#8221; term.<\/p>\n<p>But in this post, I want to<strong> narrowly focus on the theory<\/strong> which Dr. Williams suggests to us. This comes in his section 4, pp. 84-8. He calls it <strong>&#8220;soft LT&#8221;<\/strong> (to contrast it with Leftow&#8217;s &#8220;hard LT&#8221;) and I would expound it with the chart here, which I made.<\/p>\n<p>f, s, and h are, respectively the divine <strong>persons<\/strong>: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. d is the <strong>divine nature<\/strong> which they share, and which is one component in each of them. The other component in each is some &#8220;incommunicable personal <strong>attribute<\/strong>&#8221; (p. 84), respectively: begetting (b), being begotten (g), and being spirated (p). The ovals show the two parts or components of each divine person. (I take it that the model is committed to denying any classic doctrine of &#8220;divine simplicity.&#8221;)<\/p>\n<p>None of f, s, h is identical to the divine nature, but each is<!--more--> &#8220;numerically the same things as&#8221; d, without being strictly identical to d. d is a universal &#8211; a shareable property\/attribute\/nature. But it is also, I take it, a concrete thing. (pp. 84) It, but none of the persons, exists<em> a se<\/em> &#8211; that is, independently of anything else. But that won&#8217;t be true of any of f, s, or h, or, I believe, of g or p or d. Why? Because these things exist, ultimately, because of d. They would not exist if d did not exist (note, of course, that this is a counterpossible &#8211; it is assumed to be broadly logically impossible that d exists. Or more simply: they all exist, in part, because of d).<\/p>\n<p>Finally, there are timeless, causal relations between the persons. (These are not in the above chart.) f causes d to be shared with s, and f &amp; s together cause d to be shared with h.<\/p>\n<p>There&#8217;s more that can be said by way of exposition, and perhaps Scott will grace us with some more in comments (or posts).<\/p>\n<p>Here are<strong> three objections<\/strong> (or rather, two questions and an objection) which occur to me:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Is there a triune god here? If so, which thing is it? Is it the sum of all the objects shown, or f+s+h+d, or what exactly? (It can&#8217;t be d, because it&#8217;s not a god, and isn&#8217;t tripersonal.)<\/li>\n<li>Second, the only thing which exists <em>a se<\/em> here is d. But only the one God exists <em>a se<\/em>. But d is not the one God (but rather a component of him?) Ergo, the theory is false. How to answer this?<\/li>\n<li>Why should the three divine persons here, which are asserted to be not identical (because they differ), be counted as &#8220;numerically the same thing as the divine nature&#8221;? (p. 85)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Here are a few observations on my co-blogger Dr. Scott Williams&#8216;s recently published article in the Journal of Analytic Theology, called &#8220;Indexicals and the Trinity: Two Non-Social Models.&#8221; There&#8217;s a lot going on in the piece &#8211; some terminology, some history of theology, and some interesting dialectic with one of the best philosophers working on&hellip;&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/scott-williams-article-on-the-trinity\/\" rel=\"bookmark\">Read More &raquo;<span class=\"screen-reader-text\">Scott Williams&#8217;s &#8220;soft Latin&#8221; theory of the Trinity<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":4786,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[47,9,3],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-4784","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-papers","category-philosophy","category-theories"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4784","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=4784"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4784\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":5203,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4784\/revisions\/5203"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/4786"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=4784"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=4784"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=4784"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}