{"id":5116,"date":"2013-11-11T00:05:18","date_gmt":"2013-11-11T05:05:18","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=5116"},"modified":"2021-06-08T20:08:22","modified_gmt":"2021-06-09T01:08:22","slug":"podcast-13-on-bauckhams-bargain","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-13-on-bauckhams-bargain\/","title":{"rendered":"podcast 13 \u2013 On Bauckham&#8217;s Bargain"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_6322\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-5116-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities013.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities013.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities013.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities013.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?powerpress_pinw=5116-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/trinities\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/podcast\/trinities013.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"trinities013.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/7FuUF9DZM3zhtN41n6RJ6l\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_email\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe by Email\" rel=\"nofollow\">Email<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p>\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"alignleft\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/george-bush-and-jimmy-carter-300x184.jpg\" alt=\"george bush and jimmy carter\" class=\"wp-image-5117\"\/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong><a title=\"Bauckham's home page\" href=\"http:\/\/richardbauckham.co.uk\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Dr. Richard Bauckham<\/a><\/strong> is a prominent biblical scholar and theologian. He is best known for his claim that the whole New Testament reflects a &#8220;<strong>christology of divine identity<\/strong>,&#8221; most famously perhaps in his book <em><a title=\"God Crucified\" href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/God-Crucified-Monotheism-Christology-Testament\/dp\/0802846424\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">God Crucified<\/a><\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Many evangelical apologists and theologians have bought into Bauckham&#8217;s theory. Also, N.T. Wright seems to be saying many of the same things. But other British heavyweight scholars Dunn and <a rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/podcast-99-dr-larry-hurtado-on-early-high-christology\/\" target=\"_blank\">Hurtado<\/a> do not agree. And with perhaps a few <a title=\"review of McCall's Trinity book\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/review-of-thomas-mccalls-which-trinity-whose-monotheism\/\" target=\"_blank\">exceptions<\/a>, I&#8217;ve observed that Christian philosophers and <strong>analytic theologians are unwilling to make the deal<\/strong>. I think that my paper, presented in this episode, brings out why.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Note that despite my own developed theological views, I argue 100% from <strong>premises to which any Christian &#8211; me, Dr. Bauckham, or your aunt Sally &#8211; is committed<\/strong>, by either the Bible or common sense. Philosophers, as undergraduates, are trained in the simple logic of <a rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" href=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/identity\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"ek-link\">identity <\/a>&#8211; uncontroversial reasoning which I employ here, as non-technically as I can. I tried very hard to make this paper accessible to non-philosophers. Still, you may want to<a aria-label=\" read it  (opens in a new tab)\" href=\"https:\/\/www.academia.edu\/44018046\/On_Bauckhams_Bargain\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" class=\"ek-link\"> <strong>read it<\/strong> <\/a>and not merely listen to it. It gets a bit convoluted at the end &#8211; sorry &#8211; but this is only because I&#8217;m struggling to be fair to Dr. Bauckham and not misread him.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p><strong>Abstract<\/strong><br \/>Richard Bauckham argues that every book in the New Testament contains a \u2018\u2018christology of divine identity,\u2019\u2019 according to which Jesus is \u2018\u2018included in the divine identity.\u2019\u2019 He also argues that traditional Christians may avoid or dissolve a large number of theoretical problems by embracing this thesis. Here I clarify the concepts of personal identity, numerical identity, and identifying features, and critically examine Bauckham\u2019s thesis and his arguments for it in light of these analyses. Of central importance is the self-evident truth that a thing cannot at one time differ from itself (the indiscernibility of identicals). It is argued that Bauckham\u2019s thesis is unclear, and that on one interpretation it is manifestly self-inconsistent, while on the other it is too thin in content to do the work Bauckham assigns it, which is expressing \u2018\u2018the highest possible christology.\u2019\u2019 I thus argue that the theoretical costs of Bauckham\u2019s theory outweigh its theoretical benefits. Section I summarizes the touted benefits. Section II clarifies the aforementioned concepts. Section III applies these analyses to Bauckham\u2019s work. In Section IV I weigh some reasons for thinking that the interpretation of Section III is mistaken. Section V continues the interpretive struggle, and VI draws a negative conclusion.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I argue that the theoretical costs of Bauckham\u2019s theory outweigh its theoretical benefits.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":5117,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[37,21,6,58,4,33,38,47,9,57,3],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-5116","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-apologetics","category-bible","category-complaints","category-creeds","category-heresy-orthodoxy","category-incarnation","category-monotheism","category-papers","category-philosophy","category-podcast","category-theories"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5116","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=5116"}],"version-history":[{"count":4,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5116\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":43304,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5116\/revisions\/43304"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/5117"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=5116"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=5116"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=5116"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}