{"id":5144,"date":"2013-12-06T06:01:45","date_gmt":"2013-12-06T11:01:45","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/?p=5144"},"modified":"2013-11-23T15:00:31","modified_gmt":"2013-11-23T20:00:31","slug":"boyd-a-broken-trinity","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/boyd-a-broken-trinity\/","title":{"rendered":"Boyd: a broken Trinity?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-medium wp-image-5145\" style=\"border: 11px solid white;\" alt=\"broken trinity\" src=\"http:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/broken-trinity-300x184.gif\" width=\"300\" height=\"184\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/broken-trinity-300x184.gif 300w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/broken-trinity-1024x629.gif 1024w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/broken-trinity-420x258.gif 420w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/broken-trinity-460x283.gif 460w, https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/broken-trinity-90x55.gif 90w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/>Pastor Greg Boyd, on the theme of <strong>Jesus being forsaken<\/strong> by the Father (and Spirit?) on the cross:<\/p>\n<div id=\"stcpDiv\">\n<blockquote><p>If God\u2019s eternal essence <i>is<\/i> the perfect love of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, as I believe, then any suggestion that this perfect love was severed, even for a moment, would, by definition, entail that God <i>ceased to exist.<\/i>\u00a0 Such a conclusion is, to my way of thinking, a logical impossibility.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n<p>See <strong><a title=\"Greg Boyd post on the abandonment of Jesus and the Trinity\" href=\"http:\/\/reknew.org\/2013\/05\/does-jesus-abandonment-on-the-cross-destroy-the-trinity\/\" target=\"_blank\">the whole post<\/a><\/strong> for his creative answer. On the forsakenness theme, also <a title=\"extremity of God's love\" href=\"http:\/\/reknew.org\/2013\/04\/the-extremity-of-gods-love\/\" target=\"_blank\">this<\/a> and <a title=\"When God Abandoned God\" href=\"http:\/\/reknew.org\/2013\/05\/when-god-abandoned-god\/\" target=\"_blank\">this<\/a>.<\/p>\n<div>To the extent I understand Boyd&#8217;s view of the Trinity, he&#8217;s a <strong><a title=\"three-self Trinity theories\" href=\"http:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/trinity\/#ThrSel\" target=\"_blank\">three-self<\/a><\/strong> theorist, and he thinks the three perfect persons are one God <em>because<\/em> they eternally enjoy a perfectly loving <a title=\"Boyd on perichoresis\" href=\"http:\/\/reknew.org\/2013\/02\/jesus-and-his-father\/\" target=\"_blank\">relationiship<\/a>. That seems like a <a title=\"non sequitur\" href=\"http:\/\/www.princeton.edu\/~achaney\/tmve\/wiki100k\/docs\/Non_sequitur_%28logic%29.html\" target=\"_blank\"><em>non sequitur<\/em><\/a> though. Why wouldn&#8217;t we have instead <strong>three gods<\/strong> who are ideally close friends?<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>Interestingly, in a footnote at the end of his post, he notes that some friends believe his view is both kenotic and tritheistic, and so is unorthodox on two counts. At first glance, at least, both <em>do<\/em> seem to follow&#8230; Has he addressed these issues anywhere recently?<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Pastor Greg Boyd, on the theme of Jesus being forsaken by the Father (and Spirit?) on the cross: If God\u2019s eternal essence is the perfect love of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, as I believe, then any suggestion that this perfect love was severed, even for a moment, would, by definition, entail that God&hellip;&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/boyd-a-broken-trinity\/\" rel=\"bookmark\">Read More &raquo;<span class=\"screen-reader-text\">Boyd: a broken Trinity?<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":5145,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[4,8,38,13,3],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-5144","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-heresy-orthodoxy","category-linkage","category-monotheism","category-theologians","category-theories"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5144","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=5144"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5144\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":5151,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5144\/revisions\/5151"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/5145"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=5144"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=5144"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/trinities.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=5144"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}